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#16205 of 19373
Design by lokki
Dec 24, 2008 (9:35 am)
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I can live with ugly if the design is unified and appropriate. If it's a good design that I just don't like I can accept that it's just a matter of personal taste.
 
(De gustibus non est disputandum and all that)
 
What I hate are the cobbled together assemblies of styles or styles inappropriate to the name or history of the car.
 
Examples of me wanting to shout "SHAME, SHAME' include:
 
The Mustang II - the tail and the front end are on different scales of size
 

 
The 1992 Pontiac LeMans. - I wouldn't have given a !%$#% if they'd called it anything else, but LE MANS! An insult to both the history of Pontiac and to the historic race ... and don't give me any of that "Index of Performance" bull****
 

 
Even Almost worse.... If the original Charger Designer wasn't dead before this was released, I'm sure he considered sucicide after seeing what they'd done to the name.
 
#16206 of 19373
Re: cognitive disconnection [Mr_Shiftright] by lokki
Dec 24, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 24, 2008 9:25 am)

A Miasma Miata
 
If what you can see is that bad, the rest is going to be worse. When I see that picture, I see a guy who probably couldn't be bothered to change his oil, let alone his brake fluid, antifreeze, or transmission fluid.
 
Estimated miles before something fatal and expensive happens with that car - less than 1,000.....
#16207 of 19373
Re: Design [lokki] by andre1969
Dec 24, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 24, 2008 9:35 am)

Okay Lokki, now you're coming across some styles that I HATE! Don't even get me started on that LeMans. And like you said, if they'd called it anything else, I probably would have forgotten about that car by now. I'm sorry, but Buford T. Justice didn't chase the Bandit from Texarkanna to Atlanta in one of those things...that's NOT a LeMans! And the LeMans I like is nowhere near the best of them! But heck, that little Korean thing is even an insult to a 1981 LeMans with an Olds Diesel!
 
The Charger doesn't rile me up as bad, but I still hate it. When it was just an Omni 0-24, I didn't care. But Charger was just a slap in the face. Chrysler had been dragging the Charger name through the dirt a few times before that though. And even the '68-70 Charger could be had with engines as tame as the 225 slant six.
 
The Mustang II, believe it or not, doesn't rile me up. It's just a cheap little car with some flair, or what passed for it by 1974. So in that sense, I don't see it as that radically different from a 1964.5 1965 in spirit. I mean, a 170 or 200 CID straight six in one of these cars is hardly a barn burner...just a tarted up, cheap little compact with some sporty flair to it.
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Re: boomchek wins [andre1969] by xwesx
Dec 24, 2008 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 24, 2008 5:57 am)

I just thought of something, that might provide a little insight into how my little mind works. I can find a car to be ugly, yet still like it.
 
Same here, Andre. For example, I silently echoed Gus' sentiments regarding that '79 Dodge van, and yours as well, in relation to the extended rear end. I have always found those tacked-on rears to look clumsy on older vans. Another example - Honda Ridgeline. Hideously ugly, but I still like them. They are so annoyingly practical that I cannot help but like them.
#16209 of 19373
Re: boomchek wins [Mr_Shiftright] by xwesx
Dec 24, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 24, 2008 8:48 am)

We've all seen the dangers of a lack of basic schooling in design when we view certain houses designed by their owners.
 
Hey, now, I know you were not referring to me with that comment....
#16210 of 19373
Re: Take the Andre / Gus Challenge!!! [urnews] by boomchek
Dec 24, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: urnews (Dec 24, 2008 6:32 am)

That thing (what is it by the way?) is absolutely the ugliest automobile I have ever seen, hands down.
 
Nobody really knows what it is. There was an article about it in Car and Driver I think, or a picture, but it's sorta unknown. Some think it's a rare million dollar one off future concept car from the past, others think that farmer Joe built it from the abandoned wrecks he found by the freeway close to his farm (ok, I made that up).
 
Another theory states that it came from the future...........
#16211 of 19373
Re: Design [andre1969] by fintail
Dec 24, 2008 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 24, 2008 9:54 am)

The worst thing about that pile of crap wearing the "Pontiac LeMans" name is that it wasn't even designed for use in the American market - it was designed as an econbox for malaise 1983 European motoring, It spits on the cars of the same name made a mere 20 years earlier.
#16212 of 19373
Not as abominable... by lemko
Dec 26, 2008 (10:42 am)
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...as that travesty called a LeMans but close:]
 

 
Anybody recall the Chevrolet Spectrum? I would refer to this "car" as the Rectum!
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Re: Take the Andre / Gus Challenge!!! [Mr_Shiftright] by uplanderguy
Dec 26, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 23, 2008 10:47 am)

Those Scotsmans were actually good sellers...particularly after the "Packard" ownership years of the Corporation. Their success paved the way for the '59 Lark, which tripled sales of 1958 models. I've read that the Scotsman was only built for the last three months of the '57 model year, but sold 20,000 units. At least, Studebakers of that era avoided the pudgy look of other cars, and had a nice low beltline.
 
Bill
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Re: I don't know [lokki] by uplanderguy
Dec 26, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 23, 2008 11:53 am)

Those Skylarks of the early '80's had interiors that WAY bested K-cars, though. They had an especially handsome instrument panel, round dials of a brushed background, like a scaled-down '77 LeSabre or Electra panel.
 
Bill

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