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Re: Bird Land [lokki] by lemko
Dec 06, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 05, 2008 4:58 pm)

Here's the really truly Dark Age for the Thunderbird!
 

 
This one looks almost exactly like my Dad's car except it's a 1982 model instead of a 1981 model like his car. The only real difference is the 'Bird logos on the headlamp doors. The 1981 model had silver backgrounds instead of black.
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Re: Bird Land [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 06, 2008 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 06, 2008 6:37 pm)

I think, if I remember the story correctly, that when everyone at Ford looked at the design for this car back in the late 70s, they were so bummed out by it that management decided then and there to produce the "aero" T-Bird that was so much more attractive.
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Fork lifting a Mopar by jlflemmons
Dec 06, 2008 (8:37 pm)
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Looking at the picture, I would say they had to lift it to keep from hanging the underbody on the ramps. Still doesn't explain why they would use that photo for the ad, though...
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by lokki
Dec 06, 2008 (8:48 pm)
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My dad's friend had a yellow 67 T-bird with the Sucicide doors. I thought it was the sexiest car, ever. A beautiful design, worthy of the Thunderbird name. I thought he was rich, owning that car.
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Re: Bird Land [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Dec 07, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 06, 2008 7:18 pm)

Normally I like cars from that era, but even I don't care for the '80-82 T-bird. So that must be a sign that it was REALLY bad!
 
The car was a poor seller, although the economy might have had more to do with it than the car itself. They sold 156,000 in 1980. It outsold the Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Cordoba, and Mirada, but the Regal moved about 214,000 units, and the Cutlass Supreme coupe managed to run off about 275,000 (that's JUST the personal luxury coupe body style, NOT including the sedan, aeroback coupe, or wagon) Oh, and the Cougar ran off about 58,000 units, which is probably a feat, considering it started around $600 more than the T-bird...~$7000, versus ~$6400.
 
For 1981, sales fell sharply, to about 87,000. The economy was getting worse, so that was part of it, but the car itself had to be to blame as well. Sales of the Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Regal, and Cutlass actually went up that year, although I'm sure that year's more aerodynamic facelift helped. Sales of the Cordoba/Mirada dried up, and the Cougar XR-7 coupe fell to about 37,000.
 
1982 was a really pathetic year. 45,000 T-birds sold. 17,000 Cougar XR-7's. In fairness, the T-bird's competition took a beating in that recession year as well, but just think...5 short years earlier, the '77 T-bird managed to move over 300,000 units!
 
I'd heard that initially, the 1983 T-bird was going to be a new design, but still carrying on that same squared-off style. But it got scrapped in record time, and we got the aero style Bird instead. It managed to move 121,000 units that year, a miracle considering how bad the economy still was.
 
It's amazing how night-and-day different the '82 and '83 T-bird are, considering they both sprang from the same Fox platform.
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Re: Bird Land [andre1969] by 210delray
Dec 07, 2008 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 07, 2008 9:24 am)

As ugly as those 1980-82 T-birds were, I still think the worst were the '77-'79s. Even Motor Trend called them "aesthetically forlorn," after they were no longer new of course.
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What is on Craig's by gsemike
Dec 07, 2008 (9:41 pm)
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Will trade for a BMW I'm sure he would
 
If this was a Trans Am, it still wouldn't be worth this much It's rusty AND a 6 cyl
 
The black nose is incorrect but I've seen worse for this money
 
Wish the pictures were better I don't see aynthing that makes me think that this is a 442
 
Quality craftsmanship
 
Parts car
 
Green machine
 
Long way to go
 
Spruce this up in time for summer
 
Need better pics
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Re: What is on Craig's [gsemike] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 08, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: gsemike (Dec 07, 2008 9:41 pm)

Since when do 1978 Firebirds come from "estates"? LOL!
 
69 Firebird -- looks way too scary.I'm seein' overspray on the black nose, rusty hose clamps, ripped seats, tarnished chrome all over, unrestored undercarriage, missing PCV hose, no air filter? Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
Olds 442 -- kinda shabby from the description, and no VIN or good photos. One wonders about rust, authenticity, plus it needs body work, has been repainted a dark color over a light color (not a good idea), etc. And besides it's a couple years too late for big money even if it was real. Probably not worth the complete tear down it needs. Buy it cheap, (real cheap) take it to Miracle Auto Body, have fun with it, don't even replace the top.
 
73 Mustang -- might be worth the money if it's *really* nice.
 
65 Mustang Fastback -- let's see here. A killer restored '65 FSBK might bring you what....$30K? $35K? Can you get there from here? Seems marginal. Might be a nice two-three year hobby/therapy project. If you give the car to a pro for restoration, you're buried into the grave with it.
 
67 Buick Skylark -- well, if all it needed was a good but cheapo paintjob, a steamclean, a few parts here and there, sure why not? There's a little room here--just don't go "full resto".
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help your host! by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 08, 2008 (8:50 am)
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Do you guys think this car is attractive in this color?
 
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/948959224.html
 
 I like Miatas, but as a man who eats meat, I cannot abide light blue or white. I've done "red" to death, I don't care for a black Miata, and silver is sooooo yesterday.
 
I've looked for the dark blue but no luck, except for one "boy racer" car that was so modded the guy was out of control. He threw the parts catalog at it.
 
I think with the hardtop the price might be okay. Year is okay, avoiding 90-91 oil leaks, etc. Probably the 1.6 engine however, not the 1.8. Miles are okay. The "new paint" is scary, if it were a color change, but if the same color, maybe okay. Did '92 Miatas come in yellow?
 
It's either a cute Lotus look alike or a silly banana, I'm not sure.
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Re: help your host! [Mr_Shiftright] by qbrozen
Dec 08, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 08, 2008 8:50 am)

Was there supposed to be a link in yer post?
 
Well, you saw the dark blue one I posted. I like that. I've also seen copper and dark grey, which I like both of. But those are the newest gen Miatas. Not sure all what colors were available on the older ones. I'm not sure I've ever seen a yellow one.
 
Black is always low on my list. Its just too difficult to keep up with and doesn't age well. I think white is sometimes OK. I like it on the new Miata, but not the old ones, for instance.

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