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Re: Bird Land [Mr_Shiftright]
by andre1969
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Dec 05, 2008 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 05, 2008 5:41 pm)
The '02 T-bird used a V-8 engine, not a 6-cyl. I forget its displacement now...I want to say 3.9L, but it was the same one used in the Lincoln LS sedan. But I think they were all automatics. I just never cared for the style of those cars. I know it's supposed to evoke the style of the '55-57 T-bird, but I just don't see it. I swear it looks more like a 1953 Corvette than it does a first-gen Bird. The biggest problem is that the 2002 Bird has a raked-back front-end, like a Corvette. The original Bird had more of a forward thrust to it, especially the '57. Plus, the proportioning just isn't right. Those original Birds had a long hood, closely coupled compartment, and a long-ish rear deck. Comfort probably sucked for anybody taller than maybe 5'7", but damn those cars looked good! With the 2002 model though, the cowl is too far forward, and the hood too short.
I think the only time I've ever heard the word "pig" used as an adjective was in describing the handling of a mid-60's T-bird, but how bad, really, would a '66 be? I mean, if I'm comfortable driving a '67 Catalina and a '57 DeSoto, could a '66 T-bird be any more of a challenge? I know it would be a joke by today's standards, but would it be bad, even by the standards of the time?
Oh, as for that early 70's Bird, it was a lot more than 4300 lb. Try more like 5,000+! The thing was basically an uglied-up Mark IV. When they went to the intermediate Torino/LTD-II platform, THAT got them down to about 4000-4300 lb!
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Re: Bird Land [andre1969]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Dec 05, 2008 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 05, 2008 5:51 pm)
Well right you are...a 3.9 liter V8! I obviously got it mixed up with the other retro misstep--the Prowler.
Some people like the new Birds---ladies love 'em.
66 T-Bird -- you would not believe how badly they handle. You wouldn't believe me if I told you how bad. You'd think me unkind, you'd accuse me of exaggeration, bias, distortion.
But I'll try--- think of driving your Mom's old sofa on the freeway.
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Re: Bird Land [Mr_Shiftright]
by andre1969
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Dec 05, 2008 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 05, 2008 6:06 pm)
66 T-Bird -- you would not believe how badly they handle. You wouldn't believe me if I told you how bad. You'd think me unkind, you'd accuse me of exaggeration, bias, distortion. .
In a perverse sort of way, you have me curious to experience one! What did Ford do to those cars to make them handle so badly? If I can handle a '67 Catalina, would I be okay with a '66 T-bird? Or does the Bird take it to a whole new level?
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Re: Bird Land [andre1969]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Dec 05, 2008 (7:01 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 05, 2008 6:52 pm)
Oh I think the large overhangs, the gushy tires, the enormous unsprung weight inherent in the suspension design, etc. Hard to say, but the car always felt way out of balance to me. I've driven many big heavy cars but those later Birds always seems to be to be particularly clumsy. I don't think I'm the first to mention this.
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Re: Bird Land [lokki]
by fintail
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Dec 05, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 05, 2008 4:58 pm)
When I was very young my mother drove one of those big Birds, white on white. My parents loved that car. It was replaced by a Ciera...different world.
NADA prices are for ignorants.
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holy cow
by qbrozen
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Dec 05, 2008 (7:13 pm)
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This just goes WAY beyond poor spelling!
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Re: holy cow [qbrozen]
by andre1969
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Dec 05, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Dec 05, 2008 7:13 pm)
I'll give him bonus points for the Comic Sans font, though. Gives it sort of a playful atmosphere...like mixing Ice House and Monster and then watching Mama's Family outtakes on Youtube.
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Re: Bird Land [lokki]
by lemko
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Dec 06, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 05, 2008 4:58 pm)
Here's the really truly Dark Age for the Thunderbird!
This one looks almost exactly like my Dad's car except it's a 1982 model instead of a 1981 model like his car. The only real difference is the 'Bird logos on the headlamp doors. The 1981 model had silver backgrounds instead of black.
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Re: Bird Land [lemko]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Dec 06, 2008 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 06, 2008 6:37 pm)
I think, if I remember the story correctly, that when everyone at Ford looked at the design for this car back in the late 70s, they were so bummed out by it that management decided then and there to produce the "aero" T-Bird that was so much more attractive.
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Fork lifting a Mopar
by jlflemmons
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Dec 06, 2008 (8:37 pm)
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Looking at the picture, I would say they had to lift it to keep from hanging the underbody on the ramps. Still doesn't explain why they would use that photo for the ad, though...
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