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mike by stickguy
Mar 02, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Well, if the Vette was otherwise clean, and you for some reason wanted a '79 Vette, and the price came way down, I suppose you could throw a crate motor in it and maybe turn it into a decent little performance car.
 
Oh, and 4K for a plain Jane '74 Duster? Original paint isn't worth that much (this thing isn't a Duesenberg). Now, if it was a 340 sport/4 speed car, I would be all over it!
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Re: What's on Craig's this weekend? [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 02, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Mar 02, 2008 9:26 am)

65 Bird price seems decent if the car is really ready to roll and has no bad things lurking in there somewhere.
 
You're right, they do handle and brake with a total lack of competence. Shameful I guess is a fair word. Don't know as you can do much about that. Also, they suck gas so fast many first time owners think the gauge needs repair or that they should be bending down and looking for the gas faucet that someone left open.
 
On the plus side, they have lots of gadgets to play with and they cruise well in a straight line. A car for the mature and stately collector car owner.
 
Investment Grade of D (keeps pace with inflation), Fun Grade 2.5 out of 5. (not a wide smile, maybe a smirk)
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. by fintail
Mar 02, 2008 (5:14 pm)
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For the money one could do a lot worse, if it isn't rotten
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Re: . [fintail] by jlflemmons
Mar 03, 2008 (5:36 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Mar 02, 2008 5:14 pm)

I had forgotten the steering wheel hub on those Fords. Reminds me of the business end of a toilet plunger.
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Re: bored and browsing [andre1969] by lemko
Mar 03, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 29, 2008 4:14 pm)

Yeah, truth is, most people drove mundane sedans and wagons, often with plain old blackwall tires and dog dish hubcaps. I think something like a 1961 Chevrolet Biscayne 2-door sedan with a six would attract my attention sooner than ANOTHER 1964 1/2 Mustang or 1957 Chevrolet two-door hardtop. A car show full of 1964.5 Mustangs, '57 Chevies, and 1955-56 T-Birds would be a pretty boring affair for me.
 
Heck, I love those big 1970s cars myself. Here's a weird scenario, but for the movie "Back to the Future," my version of present day Hill Valley would've been 1974-78 Chrysler New Yorkers, Dodge Royal Monacos, Plymouth Gran Furies, 1971-76 full-size B and C body Buicks, Oldsmobiles, Cadillacs, Pontiac Grand Villes and Bonnevilles, Chevrolet Impalas and Caprices, Mercury Marquises, Lincoln Continentals, and Ford LTDs cruising the streets as the song "Power of Love" blared in the background. That would've made a greater impact on me instead of seeing all those wussy subcompacts on the streets instead.
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Re: bored and browsing [andre1969] by lemko
Mar 03, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 29, 2008 4:29 pm)

I'd say the 1977-era GM B and C body cars seem to have the perfect fit for me.
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Re: bored and browsing [lemko] by andre1969
Mar 03, 2008 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Mar 03, 2008 8:00 am)

I'd say the 1977-era GM B and C body cars seem to have the perfect fit for me.
 
Yeah, they're also very comfy cars. Actually, most reviewers of the time put GM's B- and C-bodies first in most respects, Ford's "Panthers" (Crown Vic/Grand Marquis) in second place, and Mopar's R-bodies a distant 3rd.
 
One thing I really like about the Mopars though, is that the front doors are large, and even with the seat all the way back, the B-pillar doesn't block my vision to the sides like it would in the Ford and GM cars. Also, the R-bodies seem to have less intrusion of stuff like the transmission, driveshaft hump, dashboard, rear wheel wells, etc. And since it's unitized, you don't have frame rails taking away floor space. The R-body seems to have a bit more legroom up front than the GM and Ford cars. However, the GM and Ford cars have a lot more headroom.
 
Another thing I like about the Mopars, and this is a minor nitpick, but the rear door windows roll down further than in the GM cars. About 3/4 of the way in the cheaper models, and all the way in the New Yorkers, although admittedly, the roll-down window in the NYer is considerably smaller. Oh, and as far as I know, every R-body came with full gauges, standard.
 
I think if Chrysler had the money to build these cars right, they would have been much more competent and probably stayed on the market longer. But by 1979, they were on the verge of bankruptcy, and were fast running out of resources. Although somehow, they managed to find a way to improve the quality of the 1980 R-bodies. Fit and finish was better, they were less prone to rusting, the aluminum bumpers with the peeling chrome were replaced with steel bumpers, etc.
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Re: bored and browsing [lemko] by fintail
Mar 03, 2008 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Mar 03, 2008 7:56 am)

As an avid BTTF fan who has over-analyzed the movies, I think the choice of cars for 1985 Hill Valley was to show both the automotive malaise still being seen at the time, and the inroads made by the Japanese (remember, in 1955 when Doc sees the little camcorder, he says it doesn't work because it was made in Japan, and Marty says Japan is where "all the best stuff" comes from). I remember a huge amount of Japanese cars on the streets, and not many of the typical domestics of the time - even for California.
 
Probably the most prominent domestic of the movie (in 1985) is Jennifer's dad's AMC Eagle wagon, or the wrecked Nova being towed into the McFly's driveway....or maybe the Jeep or Ford Ranger Marty hitches a ride on whie skateboarding. But these are all pretty much bit parts.
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Re: bored and browsing [fintail] by andre1969
Mar 03, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Mar 03, 2008 8:36 am)

I remember a huge amount of Japanese cars on the streets, and not many of the typical domestics of the time - even for California.
 
That's one thing I really noticed in the old NBC episodes of "Mama's Family", whenever they'd do outdoor scenes on location. I'm guessing they just went out on location in Burbank or somewhere near the Warner Bros lot. In fact, I've actually seen the Mama's Family house in a T-mobile commercial, the one where the guy goes out to get the mail and the neighbor shouts "DEAD MAN WALKING".
 
Still, for what was supposed to be a rural midwestern town, there were an awful lot of Japanese imports out on the streets!
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Craigslist by bumpy
Mar 03, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Who let the dogs out?
 
Seems like a nice enough example.
 
"but not the best on gas"
 
This could be fixed up and flipped on the other coast for 3x the asking price.
 
The fate of old FWD Cadillacs, that pmoc guy notwithstanding.

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