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Subaru B9 Tribeca, SUV
#7005 of 8368 Re: 1st Model Year Cars [aka1]
Mar 07, 2006 (1:49 pm)
"People are typically advised not to buy first model year cars for quality purposes. If it were not for the buyers of these cars, the 2007 would not have the updates that it has. The caveat to that is the next model year gets more features due to the diligence (by filling out all those surveys) of first year owners.
If you think about this model- 1st year buyers take all the risk and help the development of the next MY car, and 2nd and 3rd year buyers get all the advantages. It's understandable that people get upset- in all fairness there should be some incentive for people to buy risky 1st year cars, other than exclusivity. How about a discounted rate for the owners that want the mesh grill (I still like my original grill better) or wants memory seats added, or a kit for i pod connectivity in the center console, more importantly how about 2006MY B9's get standard bumper to bumper extended warranty to help make that jump into a all new car easier. These are just suggestions...
There is always a happy medium, it may take longer to find, but I am sure that if 2006 MY B9 owners were to put some effort into it, we can come up with solutions to our individual problems rather than be seen as "entitled" or having to "suck it up."
I agree that we all probably knew that generally it is not advised to get a first model year of a new vehicle. This was the first time I ever did and while I agree part of the thrill was the exlusivity and taking the gamble that it would be recommended by CR (It is and the latest annual car issue is out and though the B9 is recommended its low down on the list of recommended mid size suvs and overall score, more on this later).
I do also agree though that us 1st my buyers took all the risk and helped the development of the new features by filling out the surveys and then the 2nd and 3rd year buyers get all the advantage.
I also agree that its fair for ppl to be upset and that their should be some incentive. Problem is that should be when purchasing that first year model car because to try to get anything after the fact is going to be "jokes on you sucker". I found this out when buying my B9, the dealer took advantage of the fact that they knew I wanted certain options and color choices. Even though I ultimately not only located the vehicle at another not so closeby dealer but also had to negotiate/talk them into trading it to my local dealer when they initially refused when requested by my dealer. That dealer wanted me to come to them so they would get the sale. I got the vehicle and the sale for my local dealer and they instead just used it against me and called my bluff that i would walk out on the deal for the vehicle in options colors i wanted that i went to all that trouble to locate. In fact the only reason i even got $1,000 off msrp (still a few thousand above invoice) was due to some other mistake on the dealers part (i think ordering my initial pre order vehicle without puddle lights).
I ended up just agreeing figuring they were a nice local family business down the street from where me and my family have a business so we are neighbors and gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would give me future consideration and take care of me on service visits, additional accesory options etc. They ended up throwing in only 1 or 2 of the cheapest accessories (like wheel locks or something which were some used and not the subaru ones they sell in teh shop).
They made me feel like I was acting like an "entitled" or problem customer instead of treating me like a VIP customer who just bought their most expensive vehicle ever and loaded to the tee and in the risky 1st model year. They later gave me aggravation on "installation of the myfi xm player that came free with pre order basically telling me it was a portable and not meant for use in the car showing their ignorance of their companies pre order gift which in fact is made for the car and comes with instructions on car use. All this after promising installation originally like this was a great bonus i was getting. In actuality the "installation" was nothing more then setting up the antenna in a more permanent way and hiding the cord in the headliner as I didn't really want the car cradle or anything actually mounted on the dash. So your talking really a simple, 10 min thing. I still haven't got this done as I haven't had time to go to the business down the street from them they were going to have do it or get my replacement rear hatch struts which i'm sure they will try to get me to pay for when they should be a warranty replaced/ recalled item.
I had held off and having them send my b9 to the place just to install xm my fi car antenna and asked to just take the vehicle their myself and since i had helf off on it and the manager/part owner forgot about the original promise, each service i was there and asked about it the guy said, "ok but this is the last thing were doing for you" as if it was another new thing they were doing for me based on my complaints of overpaying etc. when in fact it was the same thing they had initially promised, costs nothing and yet they gave me aggravation on it at one point claiming it wasn't meant for the car.
So, long story long, I can only imagine when I go there to see what kind of trade in value they can give me for my 06 B9 and price for a new 07. I could show what i paid for the 06 and expect corresponding trade in value plus a better deal on the 07 but I'm sure they will not do both and will give me a hard time again acting like I am a problem or acting entitled.
I like some of your ideas on how to appease the 06 owners like offering the new features to be added in their 06 for a reasonable price but i dont see that happening and it wont feel worth the price when the 07 will probably not even go up in price with the new features. Also some features/options might not be able to retro fitted as we've discussed.
My dealer being uncompromising and difficult I think I have a better chance writing Subaru corporate or something about getting some consideration for buying an 06 from its release and filling out surveys to improve the next model year (they should have paid us for that. If they cant offer me some discount on an 07 and/or good trade in value price on my 06 then I can just buy another vehicle, preferably one of the other 13 recommended mid size suvs all with higher overall scores then the Tribeca.
#7006 of 8368 Re: 20007 B9 Update [x5killer]
Mar 07, 2006 (2:04 pm)
XM for Legacy, Outback & Tribeca (which are built in the U.S.); Sirius for Impreza and Forester (which are built in Japan).
#7007 of 8368 Re: 1st Model Year Cars [x5killer]
Mar 07, 2006 (2:27 pm)
I hear your lament but do not feel sorry for you. It totally naive to think what you did was going to win you favors from your dealer. As it sounds like you ultimately figured out they knew they had a buyer in heat and took advantage of that fact.
When you found the car at the other dealer, you should have negotiated from strength and got a better deal there. You probably don't play poker. You need to bluff to win either game.
#7008 of 8368 Re: AC Performance [morey000]
Mar 07, 2006 (8:42 pm)
GM cars have way better AC systems? You've got to be joking right? GM vehicles are notorious for bad "o-rings" that dry out, causing leaks in the system, causing compressors to wear out pre maturely, causing metal shavings in the evaporator, causing a $800- $1500 replacement cost bill...
Maybe the Subaru you drove had a weak AC- or mine has a particularly strong one, but the best AC I've experienced is my nephews Toyota Corolla, followed closely with my 99 Acura 3.0CL.
GM makes good Transmissions.
#7009 of 8368 Installing aftermarket Rockford Box?
Mar 08, 2006 (6:09 am)
I want to install a aftermarket Rockford box. I have a few questions I hope someone could answer for me. Are there any left/right RCA out jacks behind the radio? What do I do for a remote to the amplifier if there isn't a power antenna wire on the B9 to use, or does the B9 have another wire I could use that will only power on when the radio is turned on? does the trabeca have a powerful enough alt. to deal with a 800 Watt RMS Rockford amplifier or do I need to upgrade my battery and maybe install a 3+ farad capacitor. Thanks in advance for your input.
#7010 of 8368 Re: Climate control question [vger105]
Mar 08, 2006 (1:15 pm)
The B9 is my first auto climate control and I feel that every day is a new learning experience. During the day over the past four or five months I have been perfectly happy with temp setting at 68. This does not seem to work at night as I boost the setting to 75 to stay warm. I am in NJ. I have also noticed that one must play a game with the various vent settings as well. I have also noticed that when I switch to manual mode the AC light, while not on originally, will come on later irrespective of temp setting. My biggest peeve though is that during the summer with high temp and high humidity just as thing are getting comfortable the recirc goes out and now I am forced to go manual. I did speak to dealer about this but they say everything is fine
#7011 of 8368 Re: Climate control question [dell128]
Mar 08, 2006 (1:21 pm)
Forgot to add that my B9 is parked in my driveway in NJ and the AC light never comes on at startup in auto mode. At least not during the winter.
#7012 of 8368 Re: AC Performance [aka1]
Mar 09, 2006 (8:34 am)
I've got no data on overall reliability with AC systems, so perhaps you're right. But judging on how much really cold air gets blown at me (when they're working)- I'm still thinking that GM does a good job.
Perhaps the brand new test vehicle that I drove had a weak AC - but I'm not the only one who has noticed this, including the review of the B9 on this web site. So- if it's a problem with the 'beca' it's not rare.
Mar 10, 2006 (9:32 am)
I've noticed a lot of Tribecas driving around lately, 3 of them one day this week alone. There's one in our garage now, too. I gotta find out who owns it.
#7014 of 8368 Re: Sightings [ateixeira]
Mar 10, 2006 (10:46 am)
Don't you live in the DC area? Maybe they are the NCIS B9s