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Subaru B9 Tribeca, SUV
#2530 of 8368 Bargains are no bargain
Apr 22, 2005 (8:06 am)
Pretty soon the Freestar & Uplander will have a $12,000 rebate, but so what? You lose all that and more come time to resell. It's false savings, in a way.
That's not where the demand is, in heavily discounted old-tech people movers. Dodge has momentum but Toyota and Honda are picking up steam.
It's funny but price does *not* sell by itself. In many, many segments, the hottest model is also the most expensive. BMW 3 series, Lexus RX, Sienna/Odyssey, Mini Cooper S. There are only a few exceptions - Mustang GT and Chrysler 300, maybe.
Another point - Ford has increased prices 5 times this year. They increase rebates to offset those price increases, and you end up back where you started.
I think GM should price the Chevy Aveo at $110,000 and then offer a $100,000 rebate. Seriously. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS rebate!
Guess what? You still pay the same $10 grand.
I hope when our Tribeca is 7 years old it's still worth more than $10 grand so we can afford to trade up to a new 2012 Subaru Flying Car.
#2531 of 8368 Re: Bargains are no bargain [ateixeira]
Apr 22, 2005 (8:23 am)
GM is playing that game esp with high-end models like caddy. price it high, rebate $5000, people fail to see the Net price they pay. they only see that they are paying $5000 below msrp.
Apr 22, 2005 (8:32 am)
Don't want to wander too far off topic, so all I'll say is look at the MSRP of the G6, we're talking nose-bleed here. Completely absurd.
With an $8000 discount it's still slightly overpriced compared to a V6 Accord.
Competing with the Tribeca, the Rendezvous Ultra is way overpriced also, and really not very competitive. The Ford Freestyle is more competitively priced, until you add up the cost of all the options. Then it's close to a Tribeca.
And the fact is in 7 years the Tribeca will be worth twice as much.
In 1998 the Jeep Cherokee Sport was admittedly tempting, but I'm glad I opted for the Forester because today it is worth more than a 1998 GRAND Cherokee, never mind the regular Cherokee.
Apr 22, 2005 (9:07 am)
The B9’s basic design was already locked-in when ex-Fiat/Alfa Romeo designer Andreas Zapatinas came on-board at Subaru in April 2002
I find that hard to believe. Maybe the chassis hard points were set, but no way was the design complete 3 years ago. They back off a bit from that claim later in the text.
Zapatinas did, however, take control of the cabin and dashboard design
Touchdown! If this is true, he is pure talent. This would bode well for future designs.
I like the reference to Penelope Cruz and I could not agree more with the way they explained it.
I hope they are wrong about the steering.
Apr 22, 2005 (9:32 am)
a while back that Subaru wanted an Alfa-like look. Maybe that's why they hired Zapatinas?
I think when they said "locked in" I'm sure they were referring to the design direction, not the details, and it's the "details" which is what we all see and comment on.
Apr 22, 2005 (9:40 am)
But if he's involved earlier on, from the start, perhaps we can expect even better designs to come?
The reason I doubt the design was locked in 2002 is that back then GM still wanted Subaru to use their platform. Wasn't that decision made after Zapatinas joined? Then how could the design have been set? They didn't even use the same platform they thought they were going to use back in 2002.
#2537 of 8368 Re: Design [ateixeira]
Apr 22, 2005 (9:52 am)
Don't know those answers, just saying FHI executives wanted the new direction be be Alfa-like, and some preliminary work may well have been done and approved by the time Zapatinas was hired. The B11S being one example, even though some Spanish design group got the credit/discredit for that one. That vehicle would never have occurred without FHI blessing.
#2538 of 8368 The Alfa front end styling...
Apr 22, 2005 (9:57 am)
had little to do with whether GM was involved or not. That's just surface decoration. The problem with GM sharing the Tribeca had more to do with engineering issues, such as dealing with the boxer engine and drivetrain, and adapting the platform to other GM-sourced engine/drivetrain combos. That's how I understand the falling out there.
Apr 22, 2005 (9:58 am)
It is no secret that Fuji Heavy Industries – Subaru’s Japanese overlords – is well advanced in the development of a diesel engine, believed to be a turbocharged four-cylinder unit.
Somehow I can't see the 2.2 liter TDI being adequate for the Tribeca.
I wonder what else FHI has up its sleeve?