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Replying to: paisan (Dec 05, 2007 4:31 am) |
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A couple of years ago when people were importing right-hand drive Skylines to the U.S., what was the total cost of one after making it pass smog and everything else? $50k or so for the car plus another $5k - $10k to make the modifications and ship it over here. Hey if I had the money I might have done it, but it was still a right hand drive. Back then it was a tuner car exclusive to Japan with lots of power that people were willing to pay for and go through the hassle. Basically, I think the stated $70k for the GT-R sounds about right to me and I think you get the picture when it comes to the value you are getting from the brand new GT-R. Launch control, paddle shifters, 7 speed transmission, Brembo brakes, does this sound like an F1 car to anyone? Some people are complaining about the price. Some are mentioning Evo and Sti to weigh cost to power ratios in their head. People, those cars are not in the same class. Rally cars - hint hint. Now, I know some people have addressed examples such as the 1990 NSX's price of $40k at it's release and how it kept edging up toward $100k each year due to either manufacturing costs or slowing sales. I for one liked the old NSX and all it's achievments, but it just didn't have enough horses to compete with exotics. I believe a manufacturer can sell a car such as the GT-R at $70k initally and can either lower or most likely raise that price slightly depending on demand or manufacturing cost. As long as the amount of performance you get matches what you're paying, you shouldn't lose too many customers. Shame on you NSX. I believe Nissan themselves had prior experience with what I call "mis-targeted introductory pricing" when it came to the XTERRA SUV which was first introduced in 2000 (2000 Motortrend SUV of the Year) as a lesser Pathfinder. They wanted to price it in the $17k - $20k range aimed at the Gen-X demographic and the appropriate income. Sort of like Honda markets their Element. What ended up happening was all the active lifestyle 30 somethings with more money to spend were buying them left and right. Nissan's marketing and showrooms picked up on this and started raising the price to the $22k - $26k range without too much hassle. A so-called shift in pricing and demographic is possible, but with the supercar association attached to the GT-R, it seems it will be locked into that category no matter who buys it. On another note, I think "GT-R" sounds better than Skyline. If Nissan is really going for Porsche's spot then I can already see the car magazines with covers titled "911 vs GT-R" or "Viper eats GT-R dust". If you still don't agree, just look at where Toyota is going with their up-coming Supra. A 5.0 liter V8 trying to push towards the 200mph mark. The price for that is currently rumored to be $50k aimed to compete against Corvette, BMW and the GT-R. I hope they do well, but for now I'd rather go with Nissan. I was shocked when they tested the acceleration and handling of the GT-R. I didn't know it was going to be that fast. They brought their A game and those engineers are not messing around with this car. Hopefully the U.S. version will have the same specs. I think you and I know what an over priced car is. It seems like the Skyline is finally here in America and wants to win the "Why pay that much for a exotic?" award. Everyone can judge for themselves whether or not the numbers add up as they start showing up in the streets and tracks this year. Thanks, Tony Carl
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Replying to: tonycarl (Jan 27, 2008 2:36 am) -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 27, 2008 8:23 am) An all-wheel drive car doesn't feel like a rear-wheel drive car. So I think it's a matter of preference when it comes to transmission. How do you know Nissan isn't coming out with a 6 speed manual for the GT-R in the next year or so?
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Replying to: tonycarl (Jan 27, 2008 1:55 pm) As for an MT coming out next year, that would be great, but not likely or they would have launched it at the same time. -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 27, 2008 2:02 pm) It's hard to find a balance between a road car and a computer-controlled drive by wire machine. The trick is for a car manufacturer to be able to provide the best technology at the lowest price to the consumer. Are you a Skyline fan?
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Replying to: tonycarl (Jan 27, 2008 3:07 pm) So the new GTR has a hand built trans. Good luck when it comes time to repair that baby....  -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host |
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 27, 2008 8:23 am) You know as well as I do that there are cars costing 4 times that (and more) that can only be had with a so-called "automatic" transmission. Do those trannies cost more than that in the GTR? Sure. Are they still automatics by some definitions? Yes.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 28, 2008 8:28 am) Do those trannies cost more than that in the GTR? Sure. Are they still automatics by some definitions? Yes. It doesn't make it right though! That's the beauty of the internet, we can have crazy whacked out opinions! -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 28, 2008 6:22 pm) Swift Engineering sold hand-built limited production Formula Atlantic gearboxes for around $20k. Most of the parts required to build it were supplied by Hewland, Quaife, etc. You're right about the possiblity of not being able to go down to Kragen or Autozone to get GT-R transmission parts. How much Infinity will charge for labor I assume would be the same hourly rate they would charge on any other Infinity. Maybe the GT-R will have a lifetime warranty on their transmissions? I don't know very much about the transmission going into the GT-R, but I think they also might have chose it for it's ability to handle the powerband in an AWD configuration. It's also a 7 speed so it has more options to choose different gear ratios for race circuit applications.
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