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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 4:58 pm)

i just don't see how. It would have to cut corners somewhere. You would have to get something like Dodge Neon build quality to post performance on par with the GTR and keep it inexpensive.
 
Look at the STi and EVO for example. The GTR is only slightly beyond them IMO. Heck look for the STi and EVO to be pushing close to 400hp in the next 2 years.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:01 pm)

yup. they are based on economy cars and one of the biggest complaints has always been the cheap-feeling interior. And don't forget diminishing returns. Taking a car from mid-5s to mid-4s (eg, WRX to STi) takes much less money than mid-4s to mid-3s. At least as of today. And the STi and EVO are already pushing $40k. So, by today's dollars and engineering, getting those to 400hp will probably get them into the mid $40k range, and they will still be based on economy cars. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but its just not easy to compare to the GTR in this sense. The GTR, from what I'm understand, is just on a higher scale. Kind of like saying BMW 528 should compete pricewise with Honda Accord just because they offer similar speed and room.
 
OK. Maybe not the best comparison since we're talking japanese vs japanese as opposed to european vs japanese, but i think you know what i mean.
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 5:07 pm)

Yup, I understand. The STi is down in the low 30s in terms of street price though which is roughly half that of the GTR (more if the dealers mark em up).
 
A lot of that money is gravy though, it's not all in the cost of Labor/materials/engineering on the high end cars. We'll see when it arrives though, just seems to be a quite "elite" car for the Nissan line is all and out of line with anything else they offer. If they are doing it simply for advertising purposes then yeah I guess it makes sense.
 
I'm more of a pedestrian car fan than of "exotics" cause I just can't see forking out $70k for a car.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:19 pm)

oh, sure. I mean, well, ok, it depends. Frankly, if I COULD spend $70k, I'd consider it.
 
I was really hoping the GTR would be mid $40s when I first heard the rumors. It would seem to make sense with the 350z topping out in the high 30s fully loaded. But, oh well. They decided to go for exotic bragging rights instead of volume sales.
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 5:22 pm)

See that's what I was hoping for too. I figured 10k more than the 350z of the same or similar year. Similar disappointment felt here.
 
I'm just not sure of what their point is of the car, where does it fit in their lineup? etc.
 
-mike
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Needed: ring time tire and condition details by jmaroun
Nov 29, 2007 (12:47 am)
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There is alot of skeptic rhetoric floating around various forums, regarding the 7:38 ring time. The key question of the day is regarding the tires used. It's not clear whether Nissan used the normal factory tires or they swaped them with more expensive track dedicated tires. Perhaps the video showing techs swapping tires is the cause of the doubt. With such a fantastic time, it's normal to expect doubters.
 
Nissan can easilly clear this question up and sqash the nay sayers. Just state what conditions the car was in. Was it strictly a factory car, tires and all..or were there modifications. Also, they should be clear on whether or not they did the complete ring and not a cut down version. I hope this information will be disclosed officially.
 
Nissan should've been more careful and explicit about their 7:38 ring time declaration. Why they weren't is beyond me. Perhaps they want hype to build up? There may have been a backfire instead since there seems to be more negativity generated than positive praise. People already have dismissed the time as fake due to the uncertainty of the tires and conditions.
 
If anyone knows facts about the conditions..please point to official evidence...otherwise we'll just have to wait till independant third party testing is done.
 
Joseph
San Diego
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Re: Needed: ring time tire and condition details [jmaroun] by qbrozen
Nov 29, 2007 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: jmaroun (Nov 29, 2007 12:47 am)

well, last thing I read is that it was kind of unofficial, no? and they were planning to return and get a more accurate time (which they seem to indicate could be better). At least, that was how I read the news as reported ... I think in autoweek??
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by greanpea68
Nov 29, 2007 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 3:05 pm)

I'm as much of a Nissan fan as anyone but I'm sure the car could easily be sold for $40k and they could sell about 20,000 units a year!
 

 
They have one of those already...
 
It is called a 350Z.............
 
GP
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Re: Big Picture [greanpea68] by paisan
Nov 29, 2007 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Nov 29, 2007 11:10 am)

Ha Ha Ha,
 
No turbo.
No AWD.
 
Those are 2 big items for some of us.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [greanpea68] by skarie
Nov 30, 2007 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Nov 29, 2007 11:10 am)

They have one of those already...
  
It is called a 350Z

 
Exactly! thats the same thing im saying.

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