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#187 of 269
Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 26, 2007 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 26, 2007 6:34 pm)

Yup, a $40k corvette beater. They are charging $70k, because they can get it. With that comes low numbers. Maybe $50k but something well within the grasps of the "common" nissan driver. The original Skylines weren't so "elite" so the new one shouldn't be either. Just my opinion.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by speedntktz
Nov 27, 2007 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 6:45 pm)

Another issue not addressed her is more speculation. I remember when Honda was doing it's testing of the NSX. What was their target they tested against? The 911 carrera. Not much internet info at that time I got all my info from the auto mags out of Japan. In 1990 they came out with the NSX for under $50K and sold a very large number of them the first two years. They scooped up most of their potential buyers in the early years. After that they began to see a significant sales drop and the price began to tick up upwards significantly with very little change to the car. They had a special factory built just to make that car. None of their other factories were equipped to handle welding the all Aluminum chassis. Soon the car was costing nearly $90K out the door. Oddly close to the price of the car they had targeted. The STI, EVO and Corvette offer amazing performance for the dollars spent, but when you go further up the scale to $70K or $80K, how many customers are left? The $40K figure is a very broad audience. The Ford GT was a great example used earlier. That cars heritage is more well known here in the US and only sold for a few years. It's too bad they didn't mass produce the new Cobra.
 
Question, How many customers are out there for this car? And how many of them actually have the means to purchase this car.
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 6:45 pm)

a $40k corvette beater
 
i just don't see how. It would have to cut corners somewhere. You would have to get something like Dodge Neon build quality to post performance on par with the GTR and keep it inexpensive.
 
How many new sub-4-sec cars are on the market right now for under $70k?
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Re: Big Picture [speedntktz] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: speedntktz (Nov 27, 2007 11:12 am)

How many customers are out there for this car? And how many of them actually have the means to purchase this car?
 
We'll find out.
 
But, if I had to guess, I'd say 1500 this year, 1500 next year, and then maybe a dip to 1k-1200 the year after.
#191 of 269
Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 4:58 pm)

i just don't see how. It would have to cut corners somewhere. You would have to get something like Dodge Neon build quality to post performance on par with the GTR and keep it inexpensive.
 
Look at the STi and EVO for example. The GTR is only slightly beyond them IMO. Heck look for the STi and EVO to be pushing close to 400hp in the next 2 years.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:01 pm)

yup. they are based on economy cars and one of the biggest complaints has always been the cheap-feeling interior. And don't forget diminishing returns. Taking a car from mid-5s to mid-4s (eg, WRX to STi) takes much less money than mid-4s to mid-3s. At least as of today. And the STi and EVO are already pushing $40k. So, by today's dollars and engineering, getting those to 400hp will probably get them into the mid $40k range, and they will still be based on economy cars. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but its just not easy to compare to the GTR in this sense. The GTR, from what I'm understand, is just on a higher scale. Kind of like saying BMW 528 should compete pricewise with Honda Accord just because they offer similar speed and room.
 
OK. Maybe not the best comparison since we're talking japanese vs japanese as opposed to european vs japanese, but i think you know what i mean.
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 5:07 pm)

Yup, I understand. The STi is down in the low 30s in terms of street price though which is roughly half that of the GTR (more if the dealers mark em up).
 
A lot of that money is gravy though, it's not all in the cost of Labor/materials/engineering on the high end cars. We'll see when it arrives though, just seems to be a quite "elite" car for the Nissan line is all and out of line with anything else they offer. If they are doing it simply for advertising purposes then yeah I guess it makes sense.
 
I'm more of a pedestrian car fan than of "exotics" cause I just can't see forking out $70k for a car.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by qbrozen
Nov 28, 2007 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:19 pm)

oh, sure. I mean, well, ok, it depends. Frankly, if I COULD spend $70k, I'd consider it.
 
I was really hoping the GTR would be mid $40s when I first heard the rumors. It would seem to make sense with the 350z topping out in the high 30s fully loaded. But, oh well. They decided to go for exotic bragging rights instead of volume sales.
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 5:22 pm)

See that's what I was hoping for too. I figured 10k more than the 350z of the same or similar year. Similar disappointment felt here.
 
I'm just not sure of what their point is of the car, where does it fit in their lineup? etc.
 
-mike
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Needed: ring time tire and condition details by jmaroun
Nov 29, 2007 (12:47 am)
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There is alot of skeptic rhetoric floating around various forums, regarding the 7:38 ring time. The key question of the day is regarding the tires used. It's not clear whether Nissan used the normal factory tires or they swaped them with more expensive track dedicated tires. Perhaps the video showing techs swapping tires is the cause of the doubt. With such a fantastic time, it's normal to expect doubters.
 
Nissan can easilly clear this question up and sqash the nay sayers. Just state what conditions the car was in. Was it strictly a factory car, tires and all..or were there modifications. Also, they should be clear on whether or not they did the complete ring and not a cut down version. I hope this information will be disclosed officially.
 
Nissan should've been more careful and explicit about their 7:38 ring time declaration. Why they weren't is beyond me. Perhaps they want hype to build up? There may have been a backfire instead since there seems to be more negativity generated than positive praise. People already have dismissed the time as fake due to the uncertainty of the tires and conditions.
 
If anyone knows facts about the conditions..please point to official evidence...otherwise we'll just have to wait till independant third party testing is done.
 
Joseph
San Diego

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