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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen]
by paisan
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Nov 26, 2007 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 26, 2007 2:46 pm)
I do believe they have higher paid, higher trained ones though. The other problem in the US today is that image is everything. That's why we have Caddy, Lexus, Infiniti, Lincoln, etc. If it is percieved as a Nissan, trying to get a 70k premium for it will be a lot harder than if it had an infiniti symbol on it.
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan]
by qbrozen
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Nov 26, 2007 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 2:50 pm)
Call my crazy, but I don't think they will have any problems selling a limited production vehicle such as this. Heck if Ford could offload a $150k car with dealer markups, the GTR should be good to go.
The Phaeton isn't a good comparison because it was competing with Audi. If Infiniti offered their own GTR at a slight price bump, THEN there would be a problem.
And, by the by, I respect Nissan a great deal for sticking with heritage and NOT rebadging the GTR.
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- #185 of 269
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen]
by paisan
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Nov 26, 2007 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 26, 2007 2:52 pm)
Yeah 1500 a year will sell, but then who really cares about the car if it's such an elite car anyway? I'm as much of a Nissan fan as anyone but I'm sure the car could easily be sold for $40k and they could sell about 20,000 units a year!
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan]
by qbrozen
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Nov 26, 2007 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 3:05 pm)
I'm not sure I follow.
$40k for a 911 and corvette beater? I don't think so.
If you mean a "lesser" version for $40k ... well, yeah, I'm sure it could do well.
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- #187 of 269
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen]
by paisan
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Nov 26, 2007 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 26, 2007 6:34 pm)
Yup, a $40k corvette beater. They are charging $70k, because they can get it. With that comes low numbers. Maybe $50k but something well within the grasps of the "common" nissan driver. The original Skylines weren't so "elite" so the new one shouldn't be either. Just my opinion.
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan]
by speedntktz
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Nov 27, 2007 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 6:45 pm)
Another issue not addressed her is more speculation. I remember when Honda was doing it's testing of the NSX. What was their target they tested against? The 911 carrera. Not much internet info at that time I got all my info from the auto mags out of Japan. In 1990 they came out with the NSX for under $50K and sold a very large number of them the first two years. They scooped up most of their potential buyers in the early years. After that they began to see a significant sales drop and the price began to tick up upwards significantly with very little change to the car. They had a special factory built just to make that car. None of their other factories were equipped to handle welding the all Aluminum chassis. Soon the car was costing nearly $90K out the door. Oddly close to the price of the car they had targeted. The STI, EVO and Corvette offer amazing performance for the dollars spent, but when you go further up the scale to $70K or $80K, how many customers are left? The $40K figure is a very broad audience. The Ford GT was a great example used earlier. That cars heritage is more well known here in the US and only sold for a few years. It's too bad they didn't mass produce the new Cobra.
Question, How many customers are out there for this car? And how many of them actually have the means to purchase this car.
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Re: Big Picture [paisan]
by qbrozen
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Nov 28, 2007 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 26, 2007 6:45 pm)
a $40k corvette beater
i just don't see how. It would have to cut corners somewhere. You would have to get something like Dodge Neon build quality to post performance on par with the GTR and keep it inexpensive.
How many new sub-4-sec cars are on the market right now for under $70k?
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Re: Big Picture [speedntktz]
by qbrozen
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Nov 28, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: speedntktz (Nov 27, 2007 11:12 am)
How many customers are out there for this car? And how many of them actually have the means to purchase this car?
We'll find out.
But, if I had to guess, I'd say 1500 this year, 1500 next year, and then maybe a dip to 1k-1200 the year after.
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- #191 of 269
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Re: Big Picture [qbrozen]
by paisan
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Nov 28, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 28, 2007 4:58 pm)
i just don't see how. It would have to cut corners somewhere. You would have to get something like Dodge Neon build quality to post performance on par with the GTR and keep it inexpensive.
Look at the STi and EVO for example. The GTR is only slightly beyond them IMO. Heck look for the STi and EVO to be pushing close to 400hp in the next 2 years.
-mike
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- #192 of 269
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Re: Big Picture [paisan]
by qbrozen
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Nov 28, 2007 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:01 pm)
yup. they are based on economy cars and one of the biggest complaints has always been the cheap-feeling interior. And don't forget diminishing returns. Taking a car from mid-5s to mid-4s (eg, WRX to STi) takes much less money than mid-4s to mid-3s. At least as of today. And the STi and EVO are already pushing $40k. So, by today's dollars and engineering, getting those to 400hp will probably get them into the mid $40k range, and they will still be based on economy cars. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this as a bad thing, but its just not easy to compare to the GTR in this sense. The GTR, from what I'm understand, is just on a higher scale. Kind of like saying BMW 528 should compete pricewise with Honda Accord just because they offer similar speed and room.
OK. Maybe not the best comparison since we're talking japanese vs japanese as opposed to european vs japanese, but i think you know what i mean.
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