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Re: Nissan GT-R... [paisan] by pmc4
Nov 15, 2007 (3:52 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 15, 2007 8:00 am)

"Why do people keep saying the vette is a mid-engine car? I thought mid-engine was something like a Lotus Esprit and the Boxster where the engine was over the rear axle, rear engine is behind the rear axle and front engine is anything in front of the driver?"
 
Think about it. By your admission, a rear-engine car is one where the engine is placed behind the rear axle, and a mid-engine car is one where the engine is placed in front of the rear axle.
 
Both definitions are correct.
 
It stands to reason, therefore, that a car where the engine is in front of the front axle is a front-engine car, and a car where the engine is behind the front axle is a mid-engine car.
 
The Corvette has its engine located behind the front axle. By definition, then, the Corvette is a mid-engine car.
The Z06 is a mid-engine, near-exotic.
 
The Corvette is considered a front/mid-engine and the Porsche Cayman or Acura NSX is considered a rear/mid engine.
Both are mid-engine cars.
 
Hope that helps!
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Re: GTR [jmaroun] by pmc4
Nov 15, 2007 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: jmaroun (Nov 15, 2007 12:09 pm)

Mid-life stigma attached to the Corvette is questionable. But regardless, both the GT3 and Z06 are twichy at their adhesion limits.
THe GT-R, being a front-engined car that weighs a ton, in no way, shape or form can out-handle anything with a rear-weight bias unless tires were so selected to reduce polar adhesion.
 
It's no difficult task to make a car that handles better than the E90 M3 unless we're talking about luxury cars...
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Re: Nissan GT-R... [pmc4] by paisan
Nov 15, 2007 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 3:52 pm)

Thanks for the definitions, didn't realize there was a front-midengine definition in there.
 
-mike
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Re: GTR [pmc4] by qbrozen
Nov 15, 2007 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 3:57 pm)

THe GT-R, being a front-engined car that weighs a ton, in no way, shape or form can out-handle anything with a rear-weight bias unless tires were so selected to reduce polar adhesion.
 
I wish I could find the article to post, but I know this can't be true because the GT-R has already found its way into 5th or 6th fastest production car in history around the nurburgring, and they say they aren't done trying to climb even higher in the ranks.
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Re: GTR [qbrozen] by pmc4
Nov 15, 2007 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 15, 2007 5:52 pm)

"I wish I could find the article to post, but I know this can't be true because the GT-R has already found its way into 5th or 6th fastest production car in history around the nurburgring, and they say they aren't done trying to climb even higher in the ranks."
 
Wasn't teh article in Road and Track?
 
In any case, I will not dispute your claim here; the GT-R should run near 7's at the 'ring. But performance around this road course and superlative handling characteristics are two different animals altogether. We have already learned that the Z06 wins awards for its track and road coarse performance, but falls (just a little bit) short in handling when compared to the rear-biased supercars (F430, etc) due to front-mid engine configuration.
 
THe GT-R with the rubber that will generate a high 'ring finish will certainly also guarantee twichier handling (EMT tires will be the handling downfall for this car just as it was for the Z06).
 
...Do NOT expect first-place finishes for this car (GT-R) in upcoming comparisons against the rear-mid competitors (F430, rear 911, etc.). Again, it will be aptly and appropriately compared against the Corvette Z06; this is not a battle of idealogues.
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$$ PRICE $$ by jmaroun
Nov 20, 2007 (1:41 pm)
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How much do you think this GTR will "REALY" cost?
 
From what I'm reading, Nissan steelerships are drooling and foamming at the mouth at their chance to rip sucker enthusiasts off. If true, it would make the 69k price a gimmick.
 
Joseph
San Diego
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Big Picture by speedntktz
Nov 25, 2007 (1:33 pm)
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There are so many aspects to this car that are not being discussed here, I wonder if most of the people posting drive these cars on XBOX and PS3 rather than their own garage.
 
One aspect that no one has addressed is service. This vehicle is a very complex car with expensive technology bits everywhere. How many of you are going to put out the $70K price plus the $10k - $20 dealer ransom to actually own one. After spending that much how confident will you be to have the tech at the Nissan dealer service your pride and joy. This isn't the Maxima or Sentra they service everyday. You would be hard pressed to find some technology on this car that is similar to the rest of the product line from Nissan.
 
There is more to owning this car than what it's 0-60 time is or how much horsepower it has. I would be curious to know how many people plan to purchase this car for non-street use (racing).
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Re: Big Picture [speedntktz] by paisan
Nov 25, 2007 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: speedntktz (Nov 25, 2007 1:33 pm)

If you can afford $70k+ for a car, the service is not going to hurt you. Similarly, I own a high performance "cigarette" style boat in a similar price range (new, well over that) and the folks who buy them don't really get hung up on the maintenance side of things or the cost of that. I would imagine that the same would hold true for folks in the financial demographic of the skyline GTR.
 
-mike
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Re: Big Picture [paisan] by speedntktz
Nov 25, 2007 (11:05 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 25, 2007 2:58 pm)

You completely missed the point of the post. Would you trust somebody who bangs on cheap outboard motors everyday to work on you pride and joy? It's not an issue of what the service costs. Buy a BMW and it's free. The issue is more the level of service. This was an issue with many potential buyers of a $100K Volkwagon. They opted for the sister car made by Audi. Honda marketed the NSX under the Acura badge. Having had both Hondas and Acuras, my experience has been the service level was much higher at Acura. Sure Honda has the S2000, but the GTR will be 3 times that. I trust the dealer that services my Porsches, as they are familiar with maintaining these types of cars. I would be hesitant to have them serviced by my local Toyota or Nissan dealer.
 
If you now understand the issue within this post, reconsider your response.
 
-kind regards
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Re: Big Picture [speedntktz] by paisan
Nov 26, 2007 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: speedntktz (Nov 25, 2007 11:05 pm)

Gotcha, I missed the intent of your original post. I agree, if Nissan is selling this car for $70k, then it should be badged as an Infinity, although I'm not sure what "maintenance" really will need to be done other than oil changes and fluid changes, brake pads, etc. I do think a $70k Nissan is a bit whacked out.
 
On a side note I saw a Civic si Muguen today at a dealer (a co-worker was shopping there) and it had a $5,000 "market adjustment" over MSRP on it. I nearly had a cow!
 
-mike

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