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Replying to: paisan (Nov 13, 2007 9:43 pm) Have you taken into account AWD v. RWD? Are we talking on a road course? Highway? Drag? I know I've ran laps around Z06s in my Legacy GT Wagon at Watkins Glen in anything but "picture perfect" conditions." Since the GT-R weighs in at 3,800 pounds (200 pounds more than most luxury cars in the $50,000 range and as heavy as the Buick V8 Lucerne) and the Corvette barely tests 3,000 pounds, we can expect both handling and performance to be better in the Corvette than the GT-R. The GT-R does have AWD, but then again, so do most rally cars. This car should have been a Subaru, not a Nissan.
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 14, 2007 3:58 pm) -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 14, 2007 4:39 pm) I'll agree with this correct reply, but remember. The Corvette Z06 nearly broke a performance record on Top Gear, yet its front/mid engine layout means there's going to be a handling penalty. For this reason, the Porsche GT3 generally beats the Corvette Z06 in comparison tests among automotive journalists, even though the Vette slaughters the 911 in performance. THe GT-R shall suffer the same fate; even worse, than the Corvette Z06. Why? Because, like the Z06, the GT-R has the weight up front (because that's where the engine is), hindering road feel and general handling. And its porky, 3,800 curb weight will most certainly make the car lose to the Corvette and most other near-exotics, unless it's compared against the Ferrari GT cars (in which case the Nissan GT-R should win easily since Ferrari GT cars aren't that special or competent) I'm sorry it has to be this way but that's what happens when the manufacturer decides on a front-engine configuration. The benefit to front-engine placement over rear or mid-engine placement is a concentrated polar moment located at and near the front wheels, lending to high-cornering stability over mid-engine cars like the GT3 and F430.
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 14, 2007 9:41 pm) Just curious as I'm not real adept on the nomenclature of a mid-engine car, I guess cause the z06 engine is behind the front axle. -mike
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The Z06 is a two seater, the GTR has 4. The Corvette comes with mid-life crisis stigma. The Z06's handling has been described as scary by expert drivers. The GTR has been compared to the 911T and one writer has said the GTR feels more planted. I am a bit concerned about the weight and steering feel which has not been elaborated upon yet. If the GTR's steering feel is better than the fuged E92 M3's, the GTR wil be a good choice for me and I bet many many others. Joseph
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 15, 2007 8:00 am) Think about it. By your admission, a rear-engine car is one where the engine is placed behind the rear axle, and a mid-engine car is one where the engine is placed in front of the rear axle. Both definitions are correct. It stands to reason, therefore, that a car where the engine is in front of the front axle is a front-engine car, and a car where the engine is behind the front axle is a mid-engine car. The Corvette has its engine located behind the front axle. By definition, then, the Corvette is a mid-engine car. The Z06 is a mid-engine, near-exotic. The Corvette is considered a front/mid-engine and the Porsche Cayman or Acura NSX is considered a rear/mid engine. Both are mid-engine cars. Hope that helps! 
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Replying to: jmaroun (Nov 15, 2007 12:09 pm) THe GT-R, being a front-engined car that weighs a ton, in no way, shape or form can out-handle anything with a rear-weight bias unless tires were so selected to reduce polar adhesion. It's no difficult task to make a car that handles better than the E90 M3 unless we're talking about luxury cars...
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 3:52 pm) -mike |
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 3:57 pm) I wish I could find the article to post, but I know this can't be true because the GT-R has already found its way into 5th or 6th fastest production car in history around the nurburgring, and they say they aren't done trying to climb even higher in the ranks.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 15, 2007 5:52 pm) Wasn't teh article in Road and Track? In any case, I will not dispute your claim here; the GT-R should run near 7's at the 'ring. But performance around this road course and superlative handling characteristics are two different animals altogether. We have already learned that the Z06 wins awards for its track and road coarse performance, but falls (just a little bit) short in handling when compared to the rear-biased supercars (F430, etc) due to front-mid engine configuration. THe GT-R with the rubber that will generate a high 'ring finish will certainly also guarantee twichier handling (EMT tires will be the handling downfall for this car just as it was for the Z06). ...Do NOT expect first-place finishes for this car (GT-R) in upcoming comparisons against the rear-mid competitors (F430, rear 911, etc.). Again, it will be aptly and appropriately compared against the Corvette Z06; this is not a battle of idealogues. |
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