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Daimler's abuse of the Dodge Charger legacy.

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Not to mention... by kcram HOST
Oct 17, 2004 (8:46 am)
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The collective "we" are apparently fascinated with the retro styling cues. GM continued to evolve the Camaro/Firebird into TR7-like wedges, while Ford reversed field, went back to the 60s Mustangs for styling inspiration, and blew the Camaro/Firebird right off the market. The rear door glass and rear fender kick of the 06 Charger is just enough to show "heritage" that will attract sales. Using it as the NASCAR body will also pump interest.
 
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Re: Not to mention... [kcram] by andys120
Oct 17, 2004 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: kcram (Oct 17, 2004 8:46 am)

Your analysis is faulty Cram. It's arguable whether the '96-'04 Mustangs were very retro but the new ones which are clearly so but the F-bodies
are already history.
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Somewhere around '99... by andre1969
Oct 17, 2004 (9:43 am)
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they did a subtle restyle to the Mustang. Made it a bit less girly looking, and IMO at least, had a slight retro touch. Not as blatantly retro as the new model, but I saw more original Stang styling cues in the '99-04 than I did in any other Fairmont-based style.
 
I never really saw any similarity between a TR7 and a Camaro/Firebird, either. If anything, I thought they were pretty modern looking, at least until they started overdoing the ribs & wings (mainly on the Pontiacs) in the final few years. About the closest similarity I saw to another car was that the '93-97 or so Camaros looked slightly like a Geo Storm, and the later models had a front-end that looked a bit like a Chrysler Concorde.
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by kcram HOST
Oct 17, 2004 (12:09 pm)
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Andy, my point was that Ford's 1994 redesign of the Mustang was their first venture into using the old styling points. Mustang sales climbed while C/F sales fell, even though the C/F was the better statistical performer. It was the 94 Mustang that put the C/F down for good - obviously the pony car buyers wanted style over speed.
 
Andre, didn't say the C/F looked like a TR7, just that they continued to evolve to that wedge form. The first and second gen C/Fs were actual coupes with trunks - after that, they were hatchbacks with low, angled hoods and high tails.
 
Back to the 06 Charger, the rear flanks were clearly styled to reflect the design of the old late 60s-early 70s coupes. After the successes of the Ram (old Power Wagon crossed with modern Kenworth), Prowler, PT Cruiser, and now the Charger, the Chrysler design team has a pretty good handle on the retro look.
 
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I always thought... by andre1969
Oct 17, 2004 (12:24 pm)
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that Chrysler tried to put just a hint of '68-70 Charger in the 2nd-gen Intrepid. It's noticeable mainly in the rear window, which is massive, and has just the hint of flying buttress. And the taillights have just a hint of '69-70 (the '68's had a 2-light treatment that the current Acura RSX recalls a bit)
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What happened to Charger... by lemko
Oct 18, 2004 (8:11 am)
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...is nothing compared to what happened to the Challenger. They turned it into a Mitsubishi!
 
I hate the 1975 Charger for more personal reasons. I had a real (more profanity than 3 Martin Scorcese movies with Joe Pesci) teacher who bought a new 1975 Charger. This guy's looks and attitude were all that I hated about the '70s. I wish I could teleport myself back in time to key this jerk's ride!
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by john_324
Oct 18, 2004 (12:16 pm)
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I just hope we'll get a 2-door version.
 
I know I'm out of step with the buying public, but I like coupes, if only for the air of impracticality around them...there's just something about a 2-door that says "no grocery-getting, no soccer practice...just performance." Even if it doesn't quite deliver (e.g. the 1980s Chargers), it has the look at least.
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I agree... by andre1969
Oct 18, 2004 (12:21 pm)
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even if it doesn't have the performance, I still think it should have the style. I've always preferred coupes myself, mainly because the coupes I've owned were always sleeker than their sedan counterparts. But nowadays most cars are so aerodynamic, that going to a 2-door design might not really do much. For example, while an early 80's Charger looked a lot sportier than an Omni, and a Dodge Mirada made a Diplomat look like the brick that it was, I don't think a 2-door Intrepid would have been much of an improvement.
 
With the Charger going for a blockier look though, a coupe version might be nicer.
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Think about it... by lemko
Oct 18, 2004 (12:31 pm)
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...the original Charger was based on the 1967 Coronet - a rather blocky car itself.

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