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Daimler's abuse of the Dodge Charger legacy.

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Re: Yup... [andre1969] by badgerfan
Oct 20, 2004 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 19, 2004 6:41 am)

Actually the Eagle Premier was the last gasp of the American Motors/Renault cooperation before Chrysler bought AMC. If I recall AMC sunk a lot of money into a Canadian plant to build this unreliable beast just before Chrysler bought AMC, and Chrysler kept the model in production for a few years, probably to their regret. It did have nice exterior styling for its time, but that was all.
 
Combining AMC and Renault to design and develop a car was a recipe for disaster.
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Re: [Mr_Shiftright] by driftracer
Oct 20, 2004 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 20, 2004 10:51 am)

I disagree - my 1986 Mustang GT had 800 lb front and 450 lb rear springs, 1 3/8" front sway bar, 1 1/8" rear bar, and KYB AGX struts always set on 3 or 4 - it rode nicer than the 2005 WRX STi I was looking at buying....
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Eagle Premier UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by rbenton
Oct 20, 2004 (2:53 pm)
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Chrysler ruined the Monaco name that evil wart of vehicle. I had 92' Monaco, evil car. Total Lemon. The Premier/Monaco on a test drive basis was much better car K-car variant. However these cars in real life experience often have reliability, design and workmanship issues that make pre-1999 Hyundai's and Yugo's look good. I almost lost my shirt financially on that car.
Andre it's true the Premier served as the design basis (i.e. blueprint) for all cab forward cars. Particularly the LH cars. So to speak AMC/Renault designer inspired Chrysler to adopted the colaboartive team design concept and gave them the answer book to modern chassis design. Otherwise Chrysler would have only been able just keep recycling the K-car. Much like GM has done with the W-Body cars.
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by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 20, 2004 (7:43 pm)
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Well sure it can ride better than a WRX STi because you have the longer wheelbase. But it's just not a sophisticated suspension no matter what you do to it; however, it can be highly effective for smooth flat tracking situations.
 
All in all though, old cars are pretty primitive compared to modern ones, and they love to pogo-stick on rutted roads, as you probably know.
 
We long for the old days, but we really don't want them as they were, only as we imagine them I think.
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by grbeck
Oct 20, 2004 (7:45 pm)
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I don't know if the Monaco based on the Renault Premier can be said to have ruined the name. Most people have probably never heard of this vehicle. It was obscure even when new.
 
Before Chrysler purchased AMC from Renault, AMC had planned to build a coupe version of the Premier called the Allure. It died when Chrysler took over AMC. The coupe market was dying by the late 1980s, so it was just as well.
 
If I recall correctly, the 300 and Magnum are built at the former AMC plant in Canada.
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Re: [Mr_Shiftright] by driftracer
Oct 20, 2004 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 20, 2004 7:43 pm)

The 1979-1993 Mustang has a 100.4" wheelbase, the STi has a 100.0" - .4" isn't much of a difference...
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by carlisimo
Oct 20, 2004 (9:01 pm)
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Those who want a coupe will join the sport compact coupe crowd who are being overrun by the sport compact sedan bunch. For some reason, everyone wants those rear doors nowadays, though I haven't seen a corresponding increase in carpooling.
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It runs with the rally classification, by driftracer
Oct 20, 2004 (9:08 pm)
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as the most common rally class is the 4-door group sedan...also most easily translated into real world vehicles.
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If I were rich or nuts enough by emmanuelchoke
Oct 23, 2004 (10:45 am)
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I'd buy an 05 Chrysler 300C, remove the body and somehow drop a 68-70 RT body on it. The best of both worlds.
     By the way, my first car was a 68 Charger.

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