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#165 of 659 Re: I sit back and chuckle [driftracer] by jae5 Jan 21, 2005 (10:51 am)
Replying to: driftracer (Jan 19, 2005 4:08 pm) Same here. Out of all the vehicles I've owned, only one was bought brand new, and I waited and waited and went around until I got the best deal. I laughed myself at the Blackwood, T-Bird, Marauder, and now laughing at the GTO. Really laughed when that person put one on Ebay looking for a suck...I mean "enthusiast" to pay $50K for it. I know of some people (from posting) that paid the $5k - $8K+ mark-ups on those things, already over-priced $35K, bragging about being the "first". Now you can pick up an '04 for roughly $20 - $20K if you factor in rebates, incentives and other things. And I've still only seen four on the street since it came out last year.
#166 of 659 I think the Charger... by andre1969 Jan 21, 2005 (11:23 am)
is going to do much better than limited-production cars like the GTO, T-bird, and Blackwood. For one thing, those other cars were trying to build cachet and exlusivity, but in the end they ended up being about the modern day equivalent of the 1981 Imperial. That was another car that, when announced, was going to have limited production to boost snob appeal. They were going to build "just" 25,000 in the first year. Well, in the end they built about 7225 that year, maybe 3-4K the next, and about 2-3K in '83.   In contrast, I look at the Charger as more of a 2006 Intrepid with a different name, than any kind of resurgence of a great name from the past. It's the kind of car that, when I'm in the market for something to replace my Intrepid, I'll go check it out. If I like it I'll buy it. If not, I'll buy something else or hold onto the Intrepid. But still, it's just a mass-marketed car with a cool name.
#167 of 659 by stickguy Jan 21, 2005 (12:43 pm)
Besides, the majority of the Chargers are going to roll out with the 3.5 V6 anyway.   Not a bad looking car. I'll be interested in seeing one in person. WHen are these actually going to be available? Hopefully I can see one at the Phila auto show in a few weeks.   ON another thread, someone posted some drawings of what is supposed to be the next Neon. Looks like a Charger nose, but very sharp from the side. Really sharp.
#168 of 659 I wonder though... by andre1969 Jan 21, 2005 (5:52 pm)
if the Charger might still move a good percentage of Hemi models? I think with the 300, about 40-50% of them are the Hemi C, leaving the lower base, Touring, and Limited models to scrap for the remaining 50-60%.   And, at least they're not sticking the 2.7 in the Charger! Although I think ther might be a fleet special that might be getting 2.7's.   Even though I have a 2.7 in my Intrepid, and it's been a great motor for me, I really wish they would retire it. At least, it doesn't belong in a car this size. These engines are very expensive to replace when they go bad, much more than a bigger 3.5, and probably more than the Hemi as well, which is supposed to be a dirt-cheap engine to build. They've also developed a bit of a reputation for sludging, although I have a feeling that it's probably in the same league as the Toyota 3.0. Meaning driver neglect more than anything else.
#169 of 659 Drift by andyman73 Jan 24, 2005 (12:51 am)
Since you are in that business, can you recall when you noticed engine shrouds being used? My 85 325e w/2.7 I6 didn't have one. My 99 Contour and wifes 04 Sable don't have them either. None of my Honda's had them either. I see so many pictures in car rags that show the hood up and a nicely shrouded engine. Oooh that really looks like a nice......hmmm can't tell, can't see the engine. Know what I mean?   I like the Charger, and would be happy to drive one. Upgrade the wheels and suspension, open the exhuast a little, remove the dumb engine shroud...could be a fun car.
#170 of 659 Only in the last few years by driftracer Jan 24, 2005 (6:17 am)
have domestics started using engine shrouds - German imports started using them on may models in the late 80s/early 90s.
#171 of 659 Charger and NASCAR... by jae5 Jan 24, 2005 (10:42 am)
Any thoughts as to this connection? Meaning, is one of the reasons the Charger is coming back is because of NASCAR. Am wondering this because I caught a glimpse of a Dodge making the rounds during testing this past weekend on Speedvision.   Take the shape of Charger's quarter panels and rear window / deck area for instance. Re-shaped to help the car get through the wind. Using a Magnum-esque front end, again, better for track duty. Can't really see DCX using a box 300C for NASCAR. Replies to this message: m1miata (Jan 24, 2005 3:01 pm)
#172 of 659 of course they are.... by driftracer Jan 24, 2005 (10:48 am)
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3313702   It's already done...   http://www.dodge.com/autoshow/news/ (read the bottom of the page)
#173 of 659 Re: Charger and NASCAR... [jae5] by m1miata Jan 24, 2005 (3:01 pm)
Replying to: jae5 (Jan 24, 2005 10:42 am) ALL the NASCAR autos look the same now. Now that old pic http://msn.foxsports.com/id/3313696 of the 43 car looks awesome! The cars all looked, let's say, stock. Ah, that is right, it is called stock car racing. The new Charger should fit right in with the rest = boring. Well I may add, the FWD Monte Carlo has some style to her. Give her a 5 on the floor, RWD, and a gas pedal with is not place low in relationship to the brake, and ya got a real car there. Even an automatic would do, I guess.   Loren
#174 of 659 As my dad said a few years by driftracer Jan 24, 2005 (3:29 pm)
back, he was wishing that cars had style like in the old days, when you could tell a Ford from a Chevy from a Dodge...he said now, all cars just look like used bars of soap...

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