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#92 of 237 Death of the 911 by designman

Feb 26, 2005 (8:47 am)

xkss… I agree that Cayman could be the seed of this possibility. The market is demanding increases in power. For the 911 this would seem to require bringing the engine forward. They just can't keep adding weight back there. And a 911 without a rear engine is not a 911.
 
The more I think about the Cayman configuration, the more I think it is a test for the future "911". I can't see Cayman conquering new markets. I believe it may be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Cayman should get a piece of both Boxster and 911 markets, and depending on how it is received may determine the future of the 911.
 
A base-Boxster Cayman would probably bring in new low-end buyers, but one that transcends the Boxster S at $60+K could only sell to existing enthusiasts IMO, especially since drop-tops account for the majority of their non-SUV sales. I have to believe Porsche knows this and is calculating its moves accordingly. I don't think for one minute that Cayman is a market-expansion vehicle. However, corporate spin will probably suggest otherwise.
 
The death of the 911 sounds like heresy but somewhere down the road a 400+ hp mid-engine 911-priced Porsche would not be such a shabby proposition. Indeed, the eye of the tiger may be focused on a certain crocodile.
 
"Let's face it, a rear-engined-car is a bad idea."
 
Well, riding bulls in a rodeo is a bad idea too
 
"The 2005 911 is still suffering from RMS leaks (rear main seal). This has been going on with water-cooled Porsche sports cars since the 1997 Boxster and Porsche won't fix it!"
 
Not all RMS Porsches have the RMS problem. As a matter of fact, 911s and Boxsters have done quite well with reliability. I try to stay optimistic. There aren't many alternatives to a Porsche. You have to play with the cards you are dealt.
 
"You have been reading about the bad break I got.
Yet today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth."
 
I wonder what that was about. Did Lou Gehrig hit the RMS lotto or something?
 

 
      

#93 of 237 Death of 911 by speeds2much

Feb 26, 2005 (4:44 pm)

Something else I'll throw into this discussion. Reuters reported that the Cayman will be 3x as profitable as the Boxster. I wonder how profit per car will compare to that of the 997.

#94 of 237 shopping for a boxster by visor

Mar 01, 2005 (12:32 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 15, 2004 2:45 pm)
This is my first experience with buying a porsche. I have got 3 options below from a WA dealer. Since the prices are in the same range, I am leaning towards the boxster S.
1) Appreciate if someone could help me with which is the best of the 3 options?
2) Is there anything specific I need to check?
3) And how much can I negotiate down from the quoted price?
 
2004 Brand new Seal Grey Boxster
Black Top
Graphite Grey Standard Leather
Bose (Digital) with Wind stop
Xenon Headlights
18" Lt Alloy Carrerra Wheels
CD Shelf Center Console
Wheel Caps with Colored Crests
Cruise Control
Remote Control Alarm System
Graphite Grey Floor Mats
MSRP of $51805
Sale Price of $45177
 
2004 Atlas grey boxster
Certified Preowned
17-inch Boxster S II wheel
Automatic air conditioning
BOSE® (Digital) with Windstop
CD Shelf Center Console
Cruise Control
Heated Seats
Litronic Headlights with Washer
Remote Control Alarm
Wheel Caps with Color Crest
Sale Price of $44995
Negoed down to 42995
 
2003 Black Boxster S
Certified Preowned
18" Carrera Wheel
Cruise Control
Heated Seats
Hi-Fi Sound Package (Digital)
Litronic Headlights with Washer
On Board Computer
Porsche Stability Management (PSM)
Remote Control Alarm
Wheel Caps with Color Crest
Wind Deflector
Sale Price of $44995
May come down to 42995
 
Hope this is the right forum for this query. Thanks.

#95 of 237 funny but.. by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Mar 01, 2005 (10:03 am)

I thought the best of the three was actually a combination of them
 
I like the idea of a new car but I also prefer 17" wheels.
 
I'm no help am I?

#96 of 237 Re: shopping for a boxster [visor] by kyfdx HOST

Mar 01, 2005 (10:10 am)

Replying to: visor (Mar 01, 2005 12:32 am)
#1 would probably be the best buy.. Something tells me you could get $8K off MSRP on a leftover '04...
 
I agree with shifty.. 17" wheels are a lot less hassle and the tires are 2/3 the price of the 18". But, the price on #2 might be the worst deal of the three.
 
Only buy the Boxster S, if you absolutely have to have the power.. You don't give the mileage on the used units, but I'd say the '03 Boxster S should sell for closer to $40K.
 
I'd pick option #1, if I could get it around $44K.. Plus, that is my favorite color... as if that matters.. Maybe they'd even knock off a thousand and swap for those 17" wheels on the CPO unit.
 
regards,
kyfdx

#97 of 237 Re: shopping for a boxster [kyfdx] by visor

Mar 01, 2005 (8:02 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 01, 2005 10:10 am)
Thanks Shiftright and kyfdx. thatz a good point on the wheels which actually got me excited initially, but i see the point. spoke to them but looks like the price is not gonna come down much. will explore the option to swap wheels when meeting them tomorrow. i was looking forward to driving a speed yellow:) but what the heck, seal grey looks cool too. thanks again.

#98 of 237 Re: Cayman's Arrival [indye] by highender

Mar 01, 2005 (11:27 pm)

Replying to: indye (Feb 24, 2005 4:18 pm)
I just got the Porsche email about the Cayman also....
 
but I was disappointed that its not going to be a 4 door, 4 seater..GT tourer....a 928 replacement...
 
any one know how it looks ? I could not get any pictures of the Cayman . Just got the new Chrisotphorus issue....and it did not even talk about the Cayman....
 
what's with Porsche naming the cars with "Cay" prefixes ? Cayenne, Cayman, .. ?
 
wouldn't numbers ala 911 be better...or are they really not the sports cars that Porsche wanted them to be ... ?

#99 of 237 shifty.. by highender

Mar 01, 2005 (11:31 pm)

I offered $16,000 for the 928...1993 GTS. considering it had some electrical issues, needed AC pump, paint repair, glass repair, and had 110,000 miles...
 
he wanted $20,000....which would be OK if it did not have all those issues...which may not be minor....
 
saw some nice ones on ebay....but got outbid...
 
still looking.. .....

#100 of 237 GTS by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Mar 02, 2005 (11:21 am)

Why don't you call Hi-Tec and have them build you up a car? They have a white 928 automatic that needs a transmission. Clean car otherwise.
 
A very clean GTS with no problems and decent miles should be worth $30K.
 
If you are buying an older 928, an automatic is way better than any 928 with a dual-disk clutch system. (up to 1987 I think).

#101 of 237 Re: GTS [Mr_Shiftright] by highender

Mar 02, 2005 (3:50 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 02, 2005 11:21 am)
OK...I'll give them a call...
 
I really want a automatic...because
1- according to many people, the auto is better in the 928....due to weight
2- I am not really comfortable with the layout shift pattern of the 928...where 1st gear is bottom left, instead of top left .

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