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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 06, 2005 6:17 pm)
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Replying to: balap (Jan 31, 2005 6:18 pm) Thanks Bala
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JW… I think the GT3 above is a scream but going camouflage takes some brass aye? Maybe next year  I’m working on Photoshopping a purple Boxster with flames. To this day I still haven’t seen a flame job that I totally care for but I love the motif regardless, you know, the full-throttle circus look. Flame jobs are like bouquets—they’re all different. Will post it if I find the time and ambition to finish. May even use it as my avatar on rennlist. Speeds2much… Curious how you call your Jag a sardine can. The 911 ain’t exactly a king size bed. I’ve often pondered how small they really are. But the ride is so “large” that everything else tends becomes insignificant. I remember you once saying that the drop-top quickly got old for you. I hope the cockpit size of the 911 doesn’t do this to you because if you need your space it could indeed wear you out as a daily driver. Balap… the 986 and 996 Porsches—the previous generation Boxster and 911—are taking a hit with resale, especially the Boxster, so be careful what you buy. I’m not saying don’t buy them, but do your research because you can easily overpay. Take advantage of the depreciation on the purchase. From what I understand there are still 04 leftovers going at hefty discounts while the discounts on the new models are not so good. So, as “first model year” equates to excitement, it also means “kiss money goodbye.” I think you can do better on that 03 911. As far as the Boxster, it’s too early to get a beat on prices as the early must-have buyers keep the prices up near retail—not what yours truly is willing to pay in light of Porsche pricing in recent years. |
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designman brings up a good point.. I see a lot of low mileage Boxsters (under 15K miles), that you can buy for around $30K-$35K... I'd rather shoot for an '03 around that price, or maybe a leftover '04 for around $40K-$45K... And remember... Expensive Porsche options bring only about 10%-20% of their value on resale... and a Tiptronic will actually lose you money over and above the option cost.. If buying new, get the cheapest one you can find.. regards, kyfdx |
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997 is a comfortable car to sit in. I haven't driven one yet. It has good visibility all-around and the ergonomics are excellent. The steering wheel, etc. fall right to hand. The seats are great. designman - My Jag feels cramped even versus the 997. I think it starts with the seats. I'm about 6'1" tall, 175 pounds, and the driver's seat is too short and narrow, with inadequate back support. I recently rented a Chevy Malibu and was far more comfortable and liked the view out the front windshield. lol The front windshield is narrow...so is the rear window. My knees hit the dashboard when I pull the seat close enough for my arms. I can never seem to get into a comfortable driving position.....It's the Jag philosophy that goes back decades, I think. Sit low with a long hood in front of you, enclosed. I don't mean to simply gripe....the engine sounds great and the 5-speed is sharp...but if the car hadn't been literally handed to me, I wouldn't be driving it. |
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balap -- if you're shopping new cars, have you checked the TMV values here on Edmund's? Best resource on the web, imo. speeds2much -- exactly my reaction to an S-type I had for a short while! I'm eager to hear what you end up with for your purchase -- the new Boxster does sound very interesting, but I don't think I'll be doing anything until they do something about the engine. (I'm just an old curmudgeon I guess!) designman -- what a great idea! Purple with flames -- I've toyed with adding neons to the bottom of my RSA, and maybe getting one of those suspension kits that make it bounce off the ground while it goes along. Have you prices some 22's with spinners? If we can make this catch on, mabe we can establish the THPBCA (Town Hall Porsche Bltitz Club of America), have a parade with Mr. Shiftright as our grand marshal. I can guarantee a veerrrry small membership! JW
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Replying to: jwilson1 (Feb 02, 2005 10:18 am) I'm also curious what you don't like about the Boxster engine. Is it the constant chug-chug noise? I've thought about possible NVH issues for the Boxster coupe and that would definately sway me toward the 997. I'm not dissing the Boxster, either, because noise is not such an issue for a ragtop...especially when not a year-round, daily driver. I drove a Boxster for three days and never noticed because the top was always down, anyway. :o))
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Did you all see the March '05 Road & Track--the article to find the "Best Overall Sports Car". They tested everything we'd consider a sports car, from the Viper to Corvette to S2000 to Elise to you-name-it, under various condition, and asked the cars to display a variety of talents for this "overall-ness", and the Boxster S was the clear winner....except when they factored in the price, then they gave #1 spot to the Corvette--a $10K price advantage. I will of course tape over my mouth regarding whether the $10K is worth it or not. The Honda S2000 did a lot better than anyone expected, mostly I think because the new ones are much improved from the jittery cars of the first year. The Viper was, of course, the animal of the group, but it did excel where it was built to excel. They called it the "white knuckle car" of the group, which is quite correct IMO.
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Replying to: speeds2much (Feb 02, 2005 12:56 pm) Back on topic: I think I've bored people enough with my rants on how Porsche has "watered down" the design of its sports cars over the past 8-9 years, but my biggest gripe is with the engine. (Certainly, as everyone who can read or see the cars go by knows, the Boxster is a wonderful drive, etc., etc., and worthy of all of its awards, even so.) Everyone hears about the complaints about the RMS leaks which both cause and are symptomatic of other engine problems. The RMS design was instituted to save money. Another issue is the abandonment of the dry sump oil system which they used with great success until 1998. Moving to a wet sump was a way of saving money. (THey are, however, apparently a little embarrassed about this, and so they call the system, with its buried pump, an "integrated dry sump" thereby answering the marketing question ... when does 'dry' actually mean 'wet'?) These are two examples of the cost-cutting that went into the design of the Boxster (in an attempt to lower the entry point for Porsche ownership -- an excellent article on this in the "InLine" publication at the opening of Edmund's right now: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=104494?tid- =edmunds.h..insideline.promo.3.* To those who are really interested in the innards of the car, probably this all seems pretty uninteresting and picky ... until you start having RMS problems and have to replace the engine, then realize you may have to replace the engine again because there's no cure for the problem since it's a design issue, and the next time the car will be out of warranty! And for those who want to compete .... which is why Porsche's once were made: race cars which could be driven on the street .... there are heat problems which will diminish the longterm durability of the car. Durability was Porsche's stock in trade, winning the London-Dakar rally in 1989 to prove the point. Porsche knows all of this: their track-ready cars, the GT-3, the GT-2, even the Turbo, have another, entirely different, engine. Porsche always had only one engine. Many were waiting to see if Porsche would fix the errors they built into the 986/996. But the New engines for the 987/997 are the same story. Sorry to sound like a curmudgeon, as I said, but as much as I like the Boxster and the 996/997, I'm going to avoid any that aren't under warranty and will sell them before the warranty closes. My current Porsche is 12 years old and shows every sign of being ready for track and street for another 12 or more years. Hope I wasn't too boring this time! JW |
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all is well with the 928...shifty I love the 928...lots of room and runs forever ( well, mine did) had a boxster S...and it was great also...but not enough room for a family. I am checking out with Devek to see if any 928s are coming up for sale... |
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