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#119 of 237 Re: handbrake habits [speeds2much]
Mar 18, 2005 (5:03 pm)
, but he said you must consider the car in front of you. So you must take a hit for the next guy. Imagine teaching that kind of selflessness to SUV drivers! lol
Hey, SUV drivers don't need to use the handbrake...cause the car would be less likely to move when rear-ended. If one does hit the front car when rear ended...then the driver who hit the front car, and the first driver that hit that car...would be responsible.
I take offense at that .....
....I drive a suburban and a cayenne.... and show much courtesy to other drivers. We give to a wide range of charities...and gave over 5 figures in monetary contributions last year, not counting volunteer time nor Salvation Army contributions. To say SUV drivers are selfish is like saying sports car drivers are selfish hogs of the road....which is not true.
BTW, anyone checking out the new Panamera four-door? It's exactly what some of us were mulling over a year or so ago...a stetched 911 look, leveraging the sports car platform for a sedan that looks more like a coupe.
Yes...I remember us talking about it. I would like to see a V8 GT sedan....ala 928....that would really fulfill alot of needs of the baby boomers. The boxster and 911 is just too small for us with families. The 4 door sedan would be great...better than the Maserati sedan , IMO.
I still wonder whether Porsche would have been better off doing this instead of the Cayenne, but so far I've been proven wrong in that the Cayenne has had some enduring success.
yes.( offf topic) ...Cayenne has proven naysayers wrong...it was relatively a hit. (though how long this lasts will be iffy, with gas prices going up) . THe numbers sold has increased....while all other models had decreased. Weideking called this one correctly, though the naysayers caused the Porsche company to do much soul searching, thus wasting all that time...and let the X5 , XC90, FX45, RR, Lexus , etc...steal much market share... IMO, Porsche came to the SUV market too late; they should have come in 5 years ago....not in 2003, but 2000, at the latest. The SUV will decrease in popularity...due to gas prices, end of baby boom
let generation, and style and political correctness. The baby boomlet generation has kids who are now going to grade school and many have college or older kids...so the need for SUVs will decrease as these kids emptinest out....
Now Porsche can remain independent, the stock has gone up.....and the company now has $ 2 billion plus in CASH....they will not even need to go to the bankers for their next project...they can self finance it....!!!
All they need to do is to solve some minor glitches in the cayenne, then move on to the sedanGT, and use the cayenne engine ,( which is a work of art) .......and get back into racing.
Leave the cayenne cash tree to produce the money that Porsche needs.....
Porsche will not decide on the 4th model line, if at all, until late this year or early next year....
they did read one thing correctly, IMO...(and I know this will grate on many Porsche enthusiasts) and that is to go into HYBRIDS.
Porsche was thinking about having a hybrid example for each model...with emphasis on performance...nothing less.
It was thinking about teaming up with GM or DaimlerChrysler...but it did not go thru....
hope they find a partner ....
let the complaints begin...
#120 of 237 Re: handbrake habits [highender]
Mar 19, 2005 (7:58 pm)
To say SUV drivers are selfish is like saying sports car drivers are selfish hogs of the road...which is not true.
Oops, s'pose I placed my foot in my mouth. I was using SUV as a metaphor only because of comments I've heard from owners in the past, i.e. their safety vs. the fate of anyone they hit. But certainly that's not to say all SUV owners are selfish, or even the majority. Most folks I'm sure need the winter or towing capabilities, etc. I'd actually consider buying one as a winter vehicle (always loved my father's QX4).
...but wouldn't a 997 with winter tires make a fine winter car?
Looked at Porsches today as planned, and walked away thinking black/black. Besides the fact that this configuration is "free," I thought the brushed aluminum interior looked best against black. Dark olive was a fine color, a subtle variation of black with an extra metallic sparkle and a hint of green. It's so close to black, however, that where money's an issue, it's probably not worth the extra $$.
I also sat in an adaptive sport seat and think it has to be the best car seat I've ever found. Amazing. But it seems from the Car Configurator that it requires a leather package for black interiors, so all-in the option's about $5k. I need to research this more.
I was also disappointed to see the extra buttons and port for a phone and SIM card, only to learn that it's GSM-based and not available in the US.
Looking forward to Cayman info and photos, but seems the 997 remains the better choice as an only car for the traction and jump seats. The classic styling is nice, too. Car in black was drop-dead beautiful.
#121 of 237 Re: handbrake habits [andys120]
Mar 19, 2005 (8:30 pm)
The question of opportunity cost is an interesting one.
Besides the issue of lost racing exposure and experience, I wonder whether the cost of developing a new platform would have been allocated more efficiently by stretching an AWD 996 platform for a sedan and updating the 996/986.
#122 of 237 Re: handbrake habits [speeds2much]
Mar 21, 2005 (10:59 pm)
Hi...lol...you are forgiven...
I do have to say the 997 is a great car...and I liked the 928 and still am thinking about one...dreaming, actually.
had a boxster...but I think in a few years my wife will let me get a used 997...
#123 of 237 Need advice on an 86 944 Turbo
Mar 26, 2005 (12:52 pm)
Im looking at buying this car. It has 56,000 original miles. The engine is an Andial 2.8 Stroker motor with cam, K-26 turbo and only 6,000 miles on the engine. Appox. 300HP. They are asking $11,995. Is it worth it? Should I move on. What about reliability?
Mar 26, 2005 (1:41 pm)
Ah, this is a tough one. I'm not too keen on people who think they are smarter than Porsche engineers. The problem is that very very VERY few people are going to want this car should it be troublesome and you want to bail on it.
Porsche bottom ends are virtually indestructible but depending on how they did the turbo engineering you could end up with a hand grenade.
Sounds like a bit of a beast. The stock 944 turbo is pretty quick with a top speed of 150 mph and 0-60 in 6 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.6 98 mph. Why do you need more than that anyway?
#125 of 237 Re: 944s [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 26, 2005 (8:54 pm)
Thanks for the info. The engine was done by Andial and my brief research has found that Andial once had Porsche's blessings to build all its race engines. It seems these guys know what they are doing. Have you ever heard of them? Apparently they are based in southern California.
Mar 28, 2005 (7:41 am)
Oh, it has nothing to do with the competence of the builder. Andial is well-known but you must remember that every bit of extra HP you put in costs you something. Race engines are made to win a race, not last forever--that's the compromise. If it blows up after 20 laps but wins the race, the engine is a success.
I just don't see this as a very practical or reliable street car. And where do you take it if it breaks? You think a regular Porsche shop is going to touch an Andial motor?
You might contact Andial and ask them if they have a record of the motor and what they think they built it for. Is it tractable for street? What's boost on it? Any specially fabricated parts? What's a rebuild cost?