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Re: Test drive? [oli1] by jogousa
Nov 10, 2009 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: oli1 (Oct 31, 2009 12:45 pm)

I have 09 SportWagen Tdi (manual) and not long ago I took a ride in Tdi sedan with DSG automatic - I found sedan's suspension a bit stiffer than my Wagon. Other than that there is not much of a difference except Wagon has more space in the back.
 
I found the styling of Wagon "cool" (as some teens would comment) - it's no longer soccer mom's taxi-type vehicle (never been in Europe anyway). It's a good alternative to small SUV with much better mileage although I would prefer Subaru Forester diesel. Last thing I've heard is that Subaru doesn't have the right automatic transmission to match their diesels (Subaru diesels running the 2nd year in Europe all have manual transmissions).
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Re: Test drive? [jogousa] by longo2
Nov 10, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: jogousa (Nov 10, 2009 4:34 pm)

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Hi Jogo,
 
Thought you might like to see the Subaru AWD Diesel wagon that they are quietly building at their plant in the U.S.A.
 
They ship them to Europe for sale over there.
 
 I think they are a 2 ltr, 258 ft pounds of torqe, diesel boxer engine that gets about the same mpg's as the Jetta TDI's.
 
If they ever go on sale in North America, that will be my next new car.
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Re: Test drive? [longo2] by gagrice
Nov 10, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: longo2 (Nov 10, 2009 5:08 pm)

So close yet so far. I have to wonder if they are trying to meet the CARB diesel emissions or just using our cheap labor to build cars here. I would sure consider one if they are sold here. Good clearance and just about the right size. Someone needs to offer a CUV/SUV with a 4 cylinder diesel.
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Re: Test drive? [gagrice] by longo2
Nov 12, 2009 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 10, 2009 7:25 pm)

Right now I don't see Subaru working on meeting higher emission standards, the boxer diesel engine only meets tier 4 standards as a result of a lax emissions loophole for 4 wheel drive vehicles in the EU.
 
Here's a quick look at how that's going down in England.
 
"The European Federation for Transport and the Environment (T&E) strongly supports stronger emissions standards but regrets the weakness of the Euro 5 and 6 standards, notably as regards NOx emissions, which it says cause smog, respiratory problems and acid rain. The NGO also deplores the fact that four-wheel drive vehicles have been allowed an additional three year transition period before having to comply with the new rules. "The Parliament, in its 'wisdom', has concluded that these unsafe, antisocial, heavily-polluting cars - should be allowed to pump lethal emissions into the air for an extended period," said T&E Director Jos Dings. He added that the new legislation created an "unbelievable situation" where Euro 6 standards, to be enforced after 2014, will be weaker than those in California and ten other American states (40mg/km for both petrol and diesel cars):
"An American consumer can buy a super-clean diesel today at their local dealer, while a German will have to wait until 2015 to buy something even remotely similar. There is simply no excuse for allowing Europe to lose its leadership in this area."
 
So it would seem that Subaru U.S.A. has found a temporary Euro market for a new vehicle that pollutes like our older VW TDI acid rain makers..
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Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI by north52
Nov 15, 2009 (7:42 am)
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Hi folks, just picked up a 2009 Jetta TDI Highline DSG. Our model had all available options: ESP,Rear Airbag, Sirius and Bluetooth. This model is brand new with 53km (32mi) on the odometer.
 
I was originally going to wait for Honda to release their diesel - last year they announced that the Acura TSX (European Accord) would be available with Honda's 'clean diesel'. But a couple of months ago Honda announced that, mainly due to current market conditions, they would delay the release for the foreseeable future. Too bad - the current 2.2 turbo-diesel Honda sells in Europe is pretty much the equal of VW's TDI.
 
VW's TDI was always my first choice, but I wanted to see and drive this new Acura (Honda), but no such luck this year.
 
Over the next few weeks, we'll keep the forum posted of our family's first impressions!
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Re: Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI [north52] by gagrice
Nov 15, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: north52 (Nov 15, 2009 7:42 am)

Be sure and keep us posted. Let us know how it does in the snow and ice. I would have thought that Subaru would sell their AWD diesel models in Canada. Or the A4 Allroad TDI should be available. Hope you enjoy your new ride.
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Re: Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI [north52] by newtdiguy
Nov 15, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: north52 (Nov 15, 2009 7:42 am)

Hello good luck !! I have a question though "What is a Highline" TDI. Never heard of one ? Looking at the 2010 sedan model presently
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Re: Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI [newtdiguy] by longo2
Nov 15, 2009 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: newtdiguy (Nov 15, 2009 8:43 am)

In Canada, VW sells the Jetta in 3 different trim levels, the most expensive one with the most standard goodies is called the "Highline"
(up here they are ALL expensive!)
 
If I were in the market for a TDI type of new vehicle I would wait until the 2011's come out next fall. The next Gen. Jetta is supposed to be a little bigger all around, and will be a total re-do.
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Beware Re: Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI [longo2] by moparbad
Nov 17, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: longo2 (Nov 15, 2009 9:17 am)

If I were in the market for a TDI type of new vehicle I would wait until the 2011's come out next fall. The next Gen. Jetta is supposed to be a little bigger all around, and will be a total re-do.
 
If you are referring to the new VW to be made in Chattanooga, there are many reasons to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
 
1. The plant is brand new, with brand new workers and a brand new design. I would not want to buy a first year design from a first year assembly plant.
 
2. VW has stated repeatedly that they are making the car appeal to American tastes to include more and bigger cupholders and handling that is not so firm, as well as making the vehicle bigger. So basically a supersized, numb and dumb version between a Jetta and Passat. VW CamCord?
 
3. Polo is coming. If Jetta is larger than what you need, (Jetta and Golf are larger and heavier and less fuel efficient that what I'd like) then Polo may merit consideration.
 
Pricing may improve, so that is good news, VW recognizes that they are priced higher than their competitors and they plan to reduce prices. Unfortunately it may come at the expense of content.
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Re: Beware Re: Bought a (new) '09 Jetta TDI [moparbad] by longo2
Nov 17, 2009 (4:53 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 17, 2009 9:15 am)

VW has been busy busy busy decontenting the Jetta since 2006. It's already a stripped down version of it's former self. The 2009's and 10's are the last of the Mark 5 line and I don't think they really gave a hoot.
The Jetta is in the same bag as the Corolla, Mazda, Fiesta, Versa, Cavalier, and the list goes on...so getting out of that crowd is a must if VW is ever going to step up and start selling more cars.
I think their game plan is a good one to do that, my only hope is that the new JettaCamryCord will be up to the job.
 
My 2006 Mark 5 is already an orphan in VW's line up, hate to see them bomb with it's new replacement.
 
You are right tho about all the possibilites of disaster considering very few of the new workers will know what the hell they are doing, and VW will be using the buyers of this untried model as road testers.
 
What could go wrong with that...

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