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Volkswagen Golf, Volkswagen Jetta, Volkswagen Passat, Diesel, Coupe, Sedan, Wagon
#515 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [m6user]
Jun 10, 2009 (7:30 am)
Well I happen to know Gagrice does not have the 2009 VW Jetta TDI (JSW would be his pick if he did) but a range of 39 to 45 mpg is what we are getting and with the additional variable of... 4 drivers.
The car has only 6800 miles and it has been run in the herky jerky break in style, (as per TDI specific procedures per TDI web site) The GPS when it is... ON... says.... I did not exceed 90 mph.
A 2003 TDI Jetta gets 48-52 mpg in a daily commute. The worst was 44 mpg in 300 miles of stop and go Las Vegas downtown and strip driving with the A/C blasting (mere 102 degrees or so) 4 people in the vehicle. (taxicab ish) The best is 62 mpg.
I think all you have to do is the math. If you don't want to do the math, I have posted real world results on other thread sites. At the time, ( per mile driven) RUG cost 82% MORE. Prices of D2 RUG to PUG of course vary ALL the time, and in relationship to each other.
#516 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [ruking1]
Jun 10, 2009 (7:43 am)
You're right, I was referring to the 2009 Jetta TDI and I can see where using the earlier models would make the comparison closer. I guess the 2009 model is bringing the "average" down a bit.
#517 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [m6user]
Jun 10, 2009 (7:47 am)
Lets see the 2009 has 55% more hp and 53% more torque... what would be the contrast on a gasser undergoing this same change /"upgrade"?
Since I drive both, I am a tad "sitting" on the fence. I like the fuel mileage of the 2003, but just LOVE the torque difference on the 2009. So for the power difference, (39-45 mpg vs 48-52 mpg is) not a bad compromise. I dare say, either is better than... most vehicles !!?? Either is better than "like model" gasser Jetta's.
The other truth is the 2009 is much more "BMW like" than the 2003. Part of this translates to the 2009 VW Jetta TDI... weighing more; ( +335 #'s).
A rule of thumb is 1 mpg per 100#'s (plus+ or minus-).
Right there structurally,minus - 3.35 mpg. So really, it is not so much the additional hp/torque, as the ...weight.
#518 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [ruking1]
Jun 10, 2009 (7:52 am)
Gee, let's see, I would expect the mpg to go down some on either. I didn't say there wasn't a good reason for the decrease in mpg just that it's there and will reduce the average mpg for the "average TDI driver".
#519 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [m6user]
Jun 10, 2009 (9:17 am)
My average is 41.7 mpg. Yes it is a 2009. There is some highway miles in that average, however, the daily drive during the week is 18.7 miles each way with no highway and mix of speeds between 30 and 45 mph.
Mileage discusson is better suited to Jetta TDI general topic I suspect.
If you are able to obtain invoice cost on TDI wagon, that is an excellent price.
#520 of 1253 Re: TDI for non-environmentalist [m6user]
Jun 10, 2009 (9:42 am)
I'm all for explaining the attributes of D2 but lets keep it real.
Check 2009 Jetta TDI automatic. 20 owners reporting mileage. Average 40.3 MPG.
Jun 10, 2009 (4:31 pm)
Jun 11, 2009 (8:35 am)
I'm looking at the TDI and am wondering if the $1300 good gas millage voucher will be in addition to the $4500. I've got a '99 Honda van I'd like to trade ... this would certainly sweeten the deal!
#523 of 1253 Re: $1300 [johnm12501]
Jun 11, 2009 (8:48 am)
Think of it as an $1,300 rebate with.... a lot of paper work. It may/may not apply to you. Here is a link to the IRS form 8910 link title. (aka rebate form )
Like everything the government does, there are conditions...( time limits, cut offs, situations, catches, procedures, inclusions, exclusions, updates, etc, etc., )
You can google IRS.gov site for the lastest information. Alternative Motor Vehicle Credit link title ... "Advanced Lean Burn Technology Vehicles Purchasers of advanced lean burn technology motor vehicles may claim a credit of $1,300 per vehicle."...
#524 of 1253 Re: $1300 [johnm12501]
Jun 11, 2009 (8:54 pm)
The clunker program is different and not related. It is between the car dealer and the Feds. You bring in a clunker that qualifies and the dealer gives you $4500 toward your new higher mileage vehicle. The $1300 tax credit comes from the IRS if you meet the criteria. If you pay AMT you cannot get any tax credits. I would look for the dealers to try and steal most of that $4500 from poorly equipped buyers. Go in and make your deal. Then bring your clunker in for the final. If you pay MSRP for the Jetta TDI the dealer is gouging about $1300 of your clunker right there. Paying over invoice is just crazy. Supposedly the Clunker plan will be retroactive back to March. I think I would take a chance and make a deal now if it fits the current criteria. I would not count on the Honda being eligible. The Odyssey is rated 19 MPG which is not in the criteria mentioned in the bill. The vehicle has to get 18 MPG or less to qualify.