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Volkswagen Golf, Volkswagen Jetta, Volkswagen Passat, Diesel, Coupe, Sedan, Wagon
#109 of 1253 Re: TDI $1200 OVER MSRP [scrum]
Sep 14, 2005 (6:54 pm)
The Dealership has every right to be "slimy" on the price of a TDI. I was on a 3-6 month waiting list for a Toyota Prius (Tampa Bay, Fl) where the price was jacked up to $30,000+ for the privilege of owning one. At the VW dealership I had to only wait a week to get a 2006 Golf GLS TDI for $21,000. I have driven both and now that I am running the VW on $1.75 per gallon BioDiesel, I can say that it was a much better buy.
btw - 100hp vs 150hp is not what matters...try Torque. At almost 180Lbs of torque compared to a gas engine, I can crease past just about any car on the road in 1/2 sec. Don't forget that HP means nothing in real life driving...Torque is what give you that neck snapping pull to quickly get around those pesky slow drivers...
#111 of 1253 2004 TDI w/ 10,280 miles
Sep 15, 2005 (3:31 pm)
What do you think? A good price would be say... $18,000? With AWD $19,000?
I'm going to go check it out tonight, am curious if it is a returned lease car and why it was returned.
Any thoughts on whether to get an 04 vs. 05 (and save a few thousand) or a TDI vs. a 1.8L? I would get an auto either way, since I don't drive manuals.
Should add this is at a certified dealer.
Also, it's in California. Can I drive this guy around for a few months before I move to Chicago??
#112 of 1253 Re: 2004 TDI w/ 10,280 miles [bruceleecc]
Sep 15, 2005 (5:47 pm)
There is no AWD diesel in the US for starters. I don't know the Cali market. My coworker has a 2004 tdi w 35k miles and has been offered 21k here in TX. Unfortunatly the price of Diesel change by the moment. Personally id wait until they drop more. Lots of people buy them on a whim ,and don't like them ect and you can find a better deal. At least in my area. Btw gas has went from $3.33 here to $2.50 in the last week.Hope that trend continues.
#113 of 1253 Re: 2004 TDI w/ 10,280 miles [dl7265]
Sep 15, 2005 (8:38 pm)
The TDI was a hoax, they mis-labeled it online and when i got to the dealer, no car. Ah well...
#114 of 1253 No TDI for me
Sep 15, 2005 (9:45 pm)
I have been looking, researching and test driving TDI's for the past month. I've been laughed at, snickered at, etc by high and mighty VW sales people simply for asking to see a TDI. These things are not that valuable. Do the math. Unless you are driving a tremendous amount of miles they are not cost effective. I went out tonight and bought a fully loaded, sharp looking and comfortable Hyundai Sonata for $6000 less than the cheapest VW TDI that I priced. And I didn't have to wait 3 months to get it. In 60000 miles (5years) I will burn about 800 more gallons in the Sonata. Thats $2400 at $3 per gallon. I'm still $3600 to the good with the Sonata and I don't have to mess with Diesel or Canola Oil. This TDI thing is almost cultish.
#115 of 1253 Re: No TDI for me [billmd]
Sep 15, 2005 (10:36 pm)
yeah but you own a hyundai sonata...
hm i was actually about to look at one. I mentioned that to the VW sales people and they just laughed at me. Seriously, they just started laughing. They didn't laugh when I said I just got back from the honda dealer.
But actually, i will still probably go look.
#116 of 1253 Re: No TDI for me [billmd]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Sep 16, 2005 (2:42 am)
I'm not singing the praises of the TDI, but you've left resale value out of the equation... What is a 5-year old Sonata going to be worth, compared to a 5-year old TDI?
Those are the costs related to owning a car.... The only clear advantage the Sonata has over the VW is financing... as you would borrow less money to purchase it.
#117 of 1253 Re: No TDI for me [kyfdx]
Sep 16, 2005 (5:18 am)
You are correct about the "current" resale value of the TDI. I probably won't be trading for at least 5-7 years, maybe longer. By that time I doubt that VW will have a corner on the diesel or high mpg market. Its already happening. What will that do to the resale value then, who knows, but I will bet it won't be anything like it is now. The Sonata that I bought is warranted for 5yrs/60000 bumper to bumper and 10yr/100k drivetrain. That means a lot to me in addition to the safety rating, comfort etc. I'm not pushing the Hyundai brand here, that's just the direction that I went. I am saying that when you try to lower your driving costs that you have to look at more than just mpg.
#118 of 1253 Re: TDI in Canada
Sep 16, 2005 (5:57 am)
After an exhaustive search for a new 2005 MK IV VW Jetta TDI in a manual tranny in the lower 48 I turned to Canada. As Canadian VW dealers are prevented by VW from selling a new VW directly cross border to American buyers (they can sell you a used one), I had to find a Canadian intermediary to buy the vehicle for me. I found that intermediary in Superior Auto Sales, an independent dealer in the Buffalo, NY area. Discovered SAS, a Registered Importer listed on the NHTSA website, in a 2003 Edmunds article on Grey Market Cars from Canada. Thanks, Edmunds ! Superior does this by maintaining a leasing company in Ontario that purchases the car which is then resold to you. Canada still had manual tranny Jetta TDI wagons in 2005 models with a $1500 Canadian dollar ($1269 USD) rebate. There are,as well, 2006 MK IV Jetta TDI iwagons in Canada as VW in its infinite wisdom continues to import the wagon to Canada while the U.S.is cut off from Jetta wagon imports until the fall of 2006 when the MK V Jetta is produced in wagon form as a 2007 model with its own badging. For a 2005 model that MSRP'd for $22800 in the U.S. I was offered the car by Superior for $24900. That price includes the Provincial (8% in Ontario) and Federal Government tax (7%) that must be passed on and the $1500 factory rebate. If VW allowed me to buy a new Volkswagen directly,the Canadian tax would be refundable when I brought the car to the U.S. and paid my state sales tax. However, by this intermediary method, an American buyer must suffer double taxation. In addition, as the Jetta TDI wagon is made in Germany, I had to pay a 3 % U.S. Customs tax as it is not duty free under NAFTA as a Jetta TDI sedan would be because it is made in Puebla, Mexico (the new MK V Jetta wagon will be made in Mexico along with the sedan to avoid USD/Euro exchange rates which are not favorable to the American buyer). That came to another $700. So my cost came to $24900 + 700 import fee + $600 U.S. state sales tax for a car worth $22800 in the States. VW further complicates matters for the American buyer by refusing to issue the buyer a letter from the manufacturer that states the car is in compliance with U.S.emissions, safety, and environmental laws. You must go to a Registered Importer who provides proof that the car is in compliance. In the case of the VW that is confined to the speedo/odometer. The VW speedo registers in metric and in miles, but the odometer is metric. If a conversion is done, it must be at a franchised VW dealer to protect the warranty. Though VW has tried to make it impossible for an American to buy new in Canada, they did tell me they would honor the warranty if I could pull it off. I did not try to buy a duty free MK IV Jetta TDI sedan as the Canadian supply was dried up -the MK V sedan having arrived. I eventually passed on the deal. I also investigated buying the car in Mexico where it might have been cheaper, but could find no one like Superior with an avenue to purchase the car in Mexico. Furthermore, as in Canada, VW will not allow a Mexican VW dealer to sell a new car directly to an American.