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#25 of 95 Toyota - Honda Compact Wagon by 96corolla Apr 07, 2005 (11:59 am)
How 'bout a wagon/hatch version of the Civic or Corolla. I know the matrix is supposed to be Toyota's compact wagon, but it just doesn't cut it for me. Too high and stylistically boring. These guys are definately missing the boat. The mazda 3 hatch is awesome, as is the 6. Problem is Mazda doesn't have the reliability records of Toyota and Honda. The luxury guys are ahead of the curve on this one because they have recognized this trend....which BTW I called and actually wrote Mazda about ~ 3 years ago. No claiming to be responsible for anything...that is certainly not the case...I just saw the resurgance of wagons coming. The luxury guys have the volvo s50, small beemer hatch/wagon and the new a3 is SWEEEETT!!!   I'd guy the Toyota or Honda comparable in style to the 3 because the vehicle would be economical from an overall price and gas usage standpoint. It would be more usesful then a sedan and I'd have more confidence in reliability from these two makers. If they made one, they'd fly off the lots.
#26 of 95 A hybrid Honda Accord wagon by suydam Apr 08, 2005 (11:53 am)
Yes, bring back Toyota and Honda wagons but not the compacts. There are lots of small wagons out there now. I'd love to see a hybrid wagon that got great gas mileage.
#27 of 95 A highly reliable small 4 cylinder Wagon by deron Apr 11, 2005 (5:22 pm)
I would like to see a Honda Accord Wagon, Honda Civic Wagon, Toyota Camery Wagon, Toyota Corolla Wagon, Nissan Sentra Wagons, Mitsubishi Galant Wagon, Mazda Protege Wagon.   I am currently looking around for a good 1.5 liter 4 cyl wagon to replace my highly reliable 15 year old 1990 Plymouth Colt SW (Mitsubishi import). The car was three years old when I purchased it. In 15 years it broke down only once - right outside my house - the engine control module ECM went bad. I diagnosed and fixed myself. It was easy to verify the problem without having to purchase a OBDII code reading scanning tool. It cost me only $175 to have the ECM repaired including a 2 year warranty. The car runs good but it is starting to leak Antifreeze and Oil. 1990 was the good old days.   Looked around at the Subaru Legacy/Outback wagons but I really don't need 4WD and they are way too expensive for what you get. Ford Focus Wagon is turning into a piece of junk just like the Ford Escort Wagons. The Ford freestyle looks almost like my Plymouth Colt but I know Ford will not reproduce the quality and reliability.   Scion XB - a little too boxy and hard to read center mtd instrument cluster. I love all the air bags, ABS and stability control it offered.   I hate the skirting around the Matrix and Vibe. Not to mention that the gearshift interferes with reaching the climate controls. Whats up with that big gap beween the gearshift and the armreasts? Lacks sportyness and road feel.   Mazda 6 - why not a 4 cyl offered? I would buy one today if it did. Mazda 3 - Who was on drugs when they designed the center console radio?   European Cars - SAAB, Volvo, Volkswagon, Mercedes, BMW. Too expensive to purchase and operate. My feeling is parts and servicing will always be at a premium.   Others I have considered:   Saturn Wagon - looked promising when first produced but whet downhill ever since. Mazda 5 - Not bad but, dealers have been selling at premium pricing as there is not many competing models. Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback - very rare find. Hyundai Elantra Wagon - rare find.   Kia Rio Cinco - only $12-$13k new. 10year/100k powertrain warranty. Maybe.... (unfortunately it is based on the junk Ford Aspire)   Suzuki Forenza LX only $15-$16k new.     Anybody else have any ideas?   Deron Benedict Columbia PA
#28 of 95 A highly reliable small 4 cylinder Wagon by deron Apr 11, 2005 (5:23 pm)
I would like to see a Honda Accord Wagon, Honda Civic Wagon, Toyota Camery Wagon, Toyota Corolla Wagon, Nissan Sentra Wagons, Mitsubishi Galant Wagon, Mazda Protege Wagon.   I am currently looking around for a good 1.5 liter 4 cyl wagon to replace my highly reliable 15 year old 1990 Plymouth Colt SW (Mitsubishi import). The car was three years old when I purchased it. In 15 years it broke down only once - right outside my house - the engine control module ECM went bad. I diagnosed and fixed myself. It was easy to verify the problem without having to purchase a OBDII code reading scanning tool. It cost me only $175 to have the ECM repaired including a 2 year warranty. The car runs good but it is starting to leak Antifreeze and Oil. 1990 was the good old days.   Looked around at the Subaru Legacy/Outback wagons but I really don't need 4WD and they are way too expensive for what you get. Ford Focus Wagon is turning into a piece of junk just like the Ford Escort Wagons. The Ford freestyle looks almost like my Plymouth Colt but I know Ford will not reproduce the quality and reliability.   Scion XB - a little too boxy and hard to read center mtd instrument cluster. I love all the air bags, ABS and stability control it offered.   I hate the skirting around the Matrix and Vibe. Not to mention that the gearshift interferes with reaching the climate controls. Whats up with that big gap beween the gearshift and the armreasts? Lacks sportyness and road feel.   Mazda 6 - why not a 4 cyl offered? I would buy one today if it did. Mazda 3 - Who was on drugs when they designed the center console radio?   European Cars - SAAB, Volvo, Volkswagon, Mercedes, BMW. Too expensive to purchase and operate. My feeling is parts and servicing will always be at a premium.   Others I have considered:   Saturn Wagon - looked promising when first produced but whet downhill ever since. Mazda 5 - Not bad but, dealers have been selling at premium pricing as there is not many competing models. Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback - very rare find. Hyundai Elantra Wagon - rare find.   Kia Rio Cinco - only $12-$13k new. 10year/100k powertrain warranty. Maybe.... (unfortunately it is based on the junk Ford Aspire)   Suzuki Forenza LX only $15-$16k new.     Anybody else have any ideas?   Deron Benedict Columbia PA Replies to this message: buddhabman (Apr 14, 2005 10:18 am) 96corolla (Apr 14, 2005 10:32 am) dmcmahon (Apr 16, 2005 4:26 pm) magneezo (Jun 29, 2005 6:13 am)
#29 of 95 - by dudleyr Apr 12, 2005 (6:29 am)
I agree about the lack of the 4-cyl Mazda 6 wagon. You should post on the M6 wagon board about your preference.
#30 of 95 Acura RL Wagon by cwwdesign Apr 14, 2005 (7:19 am)
Hi guys,   not quite sure if this was posted here before. My impression of a Acura RL wagon:   http://www.cwwcardesign.com/cars/acurarl.html   Greetings André Replies to this message: buddhabman (Apr 14, 2005 10:20 am) karguy427 (May 18, 2005 7:42 pm)
#31 of 95 Re: A highly reliable small 4 cylinder Wagon [deron] by buddhabman Apr 14, 2005 (10:18 am)
Replying to: deron (Apr 11, 2005 5:23 pm) I am just amazed at the number of people who say that they want an Accord or Camry wagon, while we have some nice wagon options out there currently. As nice as Accord and Camrys are, they are just souless. The Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 wagons are great FWD wagons for those who don't want AWD and you can get them for a nice price. The Mazda wagons are great and fun driving cars. The 4 cyl non-turbo Subaru Legacy/Outback are both as reliable, and a bit safer than a similar Accord or Camry. The turbo versons are in another league, like the WRX wagon is in anoher league compared to a civic or corolla. Yes they might be a bit more expensive, but drive a new generation Subaru and you will see the value. There are some good prices for the 4 cyl non-turbo models. There is just no comparison in the driving dynamics factor between a Legacy/Outback, a Camry or an Accord, the Subaru wins flat out. I also like the looks of the Saturn and the Suzuki. But admitidely I am a Mazda and Subaru fan. Replies to this message: 96corolla (Apr 14, 2005 10:32 am) dmcmahon (Apr 16, 2005 4:26 pm)
#32 of 95 Re: Acura RL Wagon [cwwdesign] by buddhabman Apr 14, 2005 (10:20 am)
Replying to: cwwdesign (Apr 14, 2005 7:19 am) The Acura RL wagon rendering is very nice
#33 of 95 Re: A highly reliable small 4 cylinder Wagon [buddhabman] by 96corolla Apr 14, 2005 (10:32 am)
Replying to: buddhabman (Apr 14, 2005 10:18 am) I agree that Subby and Mazda's are more fun to drive and have better styling then camry/accord...well not sure about Subaru, I don't really think the legacy wagon styling is vert "hot". Anyway, I think the problem people have is two fold - 1. reliability and 2. common sense. Even though you may disagree, many people just think that Toyota and Honda have unmatched reliability so even if the car may not be as exciting, they still go with them due to the percieved reliability. THAT is why many folks are looking for the toyo or honda wagon. Second, folks are disappointed because with the emergence of sporty wagons, it is only a natural progression that toyo and honda should have them. It should be common sense, yet they don't seem to be making a move. Why??? That is the confusing...and disappointing part.   For example, if the Corolla had a hatch, similar to the 3, I'd likely buy the Corolla. Maybe I'm a fool and the 3 would be just as reliable, but you go with what you know/think and that is the perception that is out there for many people. So, that is why even though I agree that many of the cars are "soul-less", people will always buy them.
#34 of 95 Hondas and Toyotas by suydam Apr 14, 2005 (11:31 am)
I currently own a Mazda6 wagon and I had a Subaru before that, so I'm not biased against those companies. That being said, if Honda had an Accord wagon when I was looking last fall, I probably would have bought it. II really like the Accord sedan and don't find it soulless at all (Camry is another story-- a little floaty for my taste, but you can't beat its reliability and obviously many Americans really like it). I do think they are more reliable (definitely than Subaru, which I had lots of problems with). Mazda is better but so far I don't like the gas mileage. That's why I think a hybrid Accord wagon would be great. Bigger than the little wagons like Matrix but not so large as the Freestyle or Magnum, you wouldn't lose the power like you do with a 4 cyl, and the reputation of Honda. I'm also surprised that Honda hasn't come out with one because both companies made them in the early 90's.

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