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#999 of 2170 GT3 questions
Oct 07, 2006 (1:11 pm)
I've got a 2000 Boxster (base) that I've had for nearly four years now. It have been a dream (it is a daily driver) and I'm becoming convinced that I'll always want a Porsche in the garage. At some point I hope to be in the position to upgrade and after seeing a video of the new GT3 I'm wondering whether or not I should consider a GT3 (I'm not interested in the Turbo, especially for the money). Anyway, my questions are (1) would a GT3 (a 997 model) be a practical daily driver - i.e. could I reasonably expect the same incredible reliability I've experienced with my Boxster and (2) depreciation - what could I expect on a GT3 with this regard? Looking at eBay it seems like GT3s hold their value very well in comparison to most "less-special" (is there such a thing for a Porsche) Porsche models. While a GT3 is quite very expensive (or it would be for me) to purchase, even a nicely packaged 911 2S/ 4S could reach $90 - 95+, and therefore it seems if a GT3 holds its value better, it actually might be a good alternative and not that much more costly in the long run. Reliability seems tough to judge based on the small production volumes of GT3s, but I curious if others have hear or experienced something they could pass along. If seems like more people would have figured this out, so I'm guessing I'm missing something (this seems like a bit of arbitrage) but am not quite sure what.
Anyway, I'm a person who likes to plan things way in advance so would appreciate any thoughts from others as I think about this over, save up money and work on angles to play on my wife (who still thinks I'm a fool to be so in love with cars). Happy driving to all!
#1000 of 2170 Re: GT3 questions [amhjms]
Oct 08, 2006 (6:28 am)
I'm anxious to try out the 997 GT3 myself, but one specific factor will kill any deal for me - it's a 2 seater. My duaghters riding in the back of our C2S Cab has been a big factor in my overall enjoymnet of the car and justification of its price tag.
Whether or not the 997 GT3 would work as a daily driver will, IMO, be a highly subjective, individual judgement. I had a 2002 Honda S2000 that was heavily debated as to whether or not it was suited for daily driving. Noise was the biggest issue, followed closely by ride harshness. I found most complaints against the S2000 to be coming from those that didn't really appreciate sports cars anyway. But spending $100k+ on a 997 would be upping the ante quite a bit over your former Boxster, so I suggest you make a plan to extensively test drive one before making the plunge.
One thing you might try is test driving a used 996 GT3. I think it would be safe to say that if you were comfortable with that as a potential daily driver, the 997 will be an improvement. Not sure if the GT3 will have the adjustable PASM, but assuming it does, that alone would make it easier to own as a daily driver compared to the 996. I haven't heard much either way about the dependability or durability of GT3's - other than that they were apparantly exempt form the rear main seal (RMS) leaks that affected stnadard 911's. The only GT3's I've looked at seem to have too few miles to draw any long term conclusions.
I agree with spiritinthesky - if you like to row your own, an 8,400 rpm redline is second only to my former 9,000 rpm S2000 in giving you room to play. With a lot more power.
Oct 08, 2006 (8:43 am)
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#1002 of 2170 Re: GT3 questions [amhjms]
Oct 08, 2006 (11:44 am)
I can't imagine owning a GT3 and using it as a daily driver. I would love to have one - for weekends and DE's only.
I haven't driven a Porsche in almost 20 years, so I went and tested a 911 Cabriolet and Cayman S last weekend.
The room in the back seat of the 997 impressed me (Habitat1, I take back everything I ever said about you abusing your kids), but unfortunately, the dealer didn't have any 911 hard-tops in stock (!?!?) so I didn't get the undiluted 911 experience I was looking for.
OTOH, the Cayman S stunned me with it's poise and performance, and I think it would be a significant step up from the Boxster you're currently driving.
I say before you drop six-figures on a GT3 you'll likely never push to it's limits, drive the Cayman S.
#1003 of 2170 Re: GT3 questions [fedlawman]
Oct 08, 2006 (10:21 pm)
Thanks for the feedback to my GT3 questions. I was speculating that feedback on using as a daily driver would surround ride, etc. I actually have three young kids as well, but surprisingly having the Boxster has never really been an issue for us. That said, if I do consider going w/ a GT3 I'll look into whether I could get one made with the back seat (making it that much more unique, although perhaps in a bad way!)
The car would be used in Oregon where the roads are generally smooth. However, as the weather is lousy I was considering having another car for daily driving, perhaps a GT3 would make this an even more attractive/ important solution.
I've thought of the Cayman, but I've been so happy with the Boxster that I think I'll either go 911 (really my dream) or get another Boxster.
Anyway, while I am American, I'm actually living in Amsterdam right now so hope to get to Stuttgart in the next few months and maybe I can talk through my dilemma with someone there for insights, as well as inquire about custom building alternatives.
Thanks again for the help, and if anyone has insight on GT3 reliability I'd still appreciate hearing about that.
Best to all and long live Porsche!
#1004 of 2170 Re: where the term "Carrera" came from? [purplem46]
Oct 09, 2006 (4:07 am)
"Named after the Carrera Panamerica race in Mexico. I think the 550 won it in the fifties."
You win. I guess that also tells us where the Panamera comes from as well.
#1005 of 2170 Re: GT3 questions [amhjms]
Oct 09, 2006 (7:54 am)
I don't think reliability would be an issue compared to any other European sports car, but I suspect maintenance and parts would cost quite a bit more than your "run-of-the-mill" Porsche. Expect to pay considerably more for brake pads/rotors, tires, plugs, filters, etc. Labor will also likely be more involved and expensive after warranty.
As for the custom back seat idea, I think it would be difficult with the factory roll cage thats in there...
I live in Seattle, so if you do end up with the GT3, please come out to some local club driving events (PIR, PR, SRP) and let me check it out (I guarantee you'll be the center of attention)!
#1006 of 2170 Re: What to do? / 911 Turbo [redsoxgirl]
Oct 09, 2006 (8:27 am)
Did you ever decide between the C2S and the Turbo? Nothing like living vicariously via this forum.
#1007 of 2170 Re: What to do? / 911 Turbo [msabba]
Oct 09, 2006 (2:34 pm)
Did you ever decide between the C2S and the Turbo?
Sorry for keeping you in suspense. And the answer is.....C2S..... with a large dose of frustration for the dealer having wasted my time.
I had pretty much decided on the Turbo, but was getting nervous about the delivery date slipping (now mid November). I asked the sales manager to see the actual order documentation / verification from Porsche. As it turned out, the incoming Turbo does NOT have the optional sport chrono / overboost option. I had asked that specific question at least twice when we were going over the options. Shame on me for not figuring out that the MSRP I was being quoted was about $2,000 too low.
But no real regrets. I still hadn't convinced myself that the Turbo would be a good daily driver. And, after complaining to the general manager about the stupid mix up, he knocked another $1,000 off my car. Which should be in this Friday (yes, the 13th).
P.S. Can someone tell me what would possess someone paying roughly $45k more for a Turbo over a C2S to NOT check the $1,840 sport chrono that provides overboost from 460 to 505 ft lbs of torque? Not to mention faster throttle response and firmer braking. That's unbelievable.
#1008 of 2170 redsoxgirl you did the right thing
Oct 09, 2006 (10:23 pm)
It will be a sin to order a turbo without the sports chrono so you made a good move walking away.