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Porsche 911, Porsche Carrera GT, Coupe, Convertible
#388 of 2170 Re: 1stimer and bsumner [dweiser]
Nov 10, 2005 (5:48 am)
These arguments have been hashed/rehashed on Rennlist and Rennteam for the past, oh...ten months.
For the record, I own a 997S Cab, Midnight Blue/Beige, build date 4/27/05, purchased 6/13/05, with 6500 miles on it (it was a great summer). I followed the 2000 mile break in (did it in about 3-4 weeks) but gradually increased my RPMs briefly to 5500 and then 6500(ie for 15-30 seconds or so) after 1000 miles. Within reason, I now think that the break in was probably not necessary.
(1) The German owner's manual says nothing about a break-in mileage (or km) limit. European manuals have a completely different (lower) limit than the US manuals. The cars are the same. If the breask-in was so important, why the different limits?
(2) The engines are "broken-in" at the factory for at least 10 minutes where they are run at full throttle.
(3) The stuff in Autoweek is pure Porsche weenie nonsense. I, like most Porsche 997 owners, have had absolutely no problems with the PASM and handling. There are simply no problems to solve. I chose the S since it was the only car I could buy at the time, and I like the PASM/PSM, the additional 35 hp, and the 19 inch wheels--all of which would have cost more than 10K if ordered separately. If I had to order one today, knowing what I do now, I would still get the S.
(4) The vast majority of us who buy Porsches, I suspect, are "car guys" with the good fortune to have the $$$ to spend on their ultimate fantasy car. Few of us will consistently drive at 140 mph on the track every weekend, or run a Monte Carlo like rally, taking mountain turns at 60 mph with no guardrail. We simply want cars that reflect the amount of $$$ we put into them in terms of performance and quality. We also want to do everything to preserve this quality--hence the compulsive character of some of the "break-in" posts. Porsche has had about 40 years to get the 911 right, and there is a reason that 75% of all Porsches built are still on the road, and there is a reason that the owner's manual has a recommendation for the 22 and 25 year service intervals. These cars are built to last for a long time under some pretty intense driving--a lot more than the vast majority of us are going to dish out.
Just my $0.02.
#390 of 2170 Re: 1stimer and bsumner [s4to911]
Nov 10, 2005 (8:58 am)
Well put, satire sometimes is a shot over the head of some.
( Habitat1... chum )These automobiles are extremely well built and Porsche continues to address these problems; they are compelled to do so. In the final analysis, my description of us as " car guys " tried to present the same message...WE ARE THE ONES WHO WILL TAKE THE ULTIMATE CARE OF OUR CARS, SO RELAX. Once the smoke clears, ya maybe exhaust smoke, a Porsche is still a car....cars develope mechanical problems. I will never reach 140 mph, I will not go to the track, I ( most likeley ) will never reach redline, but I am seriouly anal retentive about my cars...hence my presence here and my love for multiple oil changes. See ya.
#391 of 2170 connecting an ipod to a 2006 911
Nov 10, 2005 (9:12 pm)
A car stereo shop told me I couldn't connect my ipod to my stereo. Has anyone successfully done this?
#392 of 2170 2006 c4s cab price?
Nov 10, 2005 (9:33 pm)
the cost of my 06 c4s cab with options came to 109,000. I had mixed prices given to me from different dealerships. One dealership would not budge from msrp, another knocked off 2K and another 4K. One dealer told me he would discount a c4 by $5000 but not a c4s. Any input on this info?
#393 of 2170 Re: 2006 c4s cab price? [1stimer]
Nov 10, 2005 (10:17 pm)
Firstly, Hi all. Being a newbie to the forum, I thought I'd add some thoughts and ask some questions - please no shouting as I've already got a headache!
I'm looking to buy/lease my first ever 911. I've owned a Boxster a few years back and really enjoyed the experience but it wasn't practical for me due to kids. Looking at a 911 cab now (At least the kids will have to sit upright for once rather than slouching as they always do - ask a parent!).
I've been offered $5K off MSRP by a local dealer and £6K off by another (out of state) for a C2S Cab OR a C4S cab (don't ask who yet - I'll tel AFTER the deal's done). However, I reckon I can squeeze them a little more! I guess these are good deals from what I read here.
I have a few questions:
Firstly, why buy when you can lease? Given the expected future maintenance costs, isn't it better to lease and simply changes after 3/4 years? Depreciation will be the major factor in both cases - so what's the difference? If you're gonna be down by about $40K in 3 years on an average $100K car in both scenarios, then why not simply change after 3 years - what's the point in buying potential future headaches (I've already got one of those!). I know a Doc around here who always leases his P cars. Is this just a personal thing or is there some financial logic behind it?
Secondly, I know everyone has their own thoughts on 2 vs 4 (and Regular vs S) but if one lives in a snow state, isn't it possible to drive both types (2 and 4's) equally easily in snow IF equipped with all-season tires? And, is it possible to drive year round on all-season tires - saves the hassle of changing (obviously no track time is intended)? Might even get better wear out of them as compared to the summer ones...
Finally (sorry for the newbie long post), has anyone optioned a two-tone leather interior eg black/sand etc and if so, what's it like?
That's it! Hope to hear from you P car nuts out there.
#394 of 2170 Re: 2006 c4s cab price? [mssurrey]
Nov 11, 2005 (5:30 am)
On the lease vs. buy, you need to do the economic analysis yourself - including tax implications. Porsche, unlike other manufacturers, is not giving away free money to help sell their products. Therefore, the "roughly" $5,000 down and $1,400 per month lease payment I was quoted for a 2006 Cab S would have worked out to $70,000 over a 4 year lease. I expect to take a hit on depreciation, but not that much! Perhaps I was high-balled on the actual lease payments, but there was another purely subjective psychological factor at work for me. I could afford to pay cash at the time of purchase and write it off as a one time "splurge". But writing a check for $1,400 every month for the next 4 years would have been far more pin pricks than I wanted to impose on myself. So, rather than try to negotiate money factors and the like on a car to be ordered, I cut a fairly big discount on a 2005 Cab S in stock.
On the 2 vs 4 in the snow, this question has been debated a lot in the past. But my opinion is that - given that I own my car and don't lease it - I'm not going to subject it to winter driving through snow and muck, period. I didn't want to do that with my $32k Honda S2000 (which I traded at over 70% of it's original price after 2.5 years), so I'm sure not going to do it with a car that costs 3 times as much. And, from a practical standpoint, the 911 has very low ground clearance. The "S" version 1/2" less. So even putting on snow or all season tires on a winter set of rims isn't going to get you through much of a snowfall without making a mess of your undercarraige and front end. And driving year round on all seasons - which must be hard to find in the C2S 19" 295/30 size - is compromising the cars handling and performance all 12 months. Porsche does have a solution, it's called a Cayenne. Mine is a third car.
P.S. Right you are about the kids. Mine's posture has improved noticably after about 1,000 miles in the back of the 911 over the past 8 weeks. Total odometer as of last night 3,255.
#395 of 2170 Re: 2006 c4s cab price? [habitat1]
Nov 12, 2005 (7:40 am)
(1) I think buying is still better than leasing (which I thoought about) if you hold the car more than 3-4 years. My wife additionally told me that if I didn't have the cash upfront for a car like this, then forget it.
(2) I thought about the C2 versus C4 issue for a long time. It's not the all wheel traction that is the issue in the winter--it's the ground clearance. Anything more than 4 inches of snow, forget it--the car simply could get stuck. That doesn't even factor in the raod salt, etc. Given the $15-20K difference between the C2 and the C4, it made more sense to have the C2 for March/April to November where I live, and drive a 2001 Audi S4 for the winter (an absolute high performance tank that you could pick up for 15-20K)
#396 of 2170 Re: 2006 c4s cab price? [s4to911]
Nov 12, 2005 (9:11 am)
"Given the $15-20K difference between the C2 and the C4"
Say what?? The difference in MSRP is "only" $5,700-$5,800 to go from the "2" to the "4". And, in the non-"S" models, the 4 gives you upgraded rear wheels and tires (265 to 295 series, with wider rims) that would be worth a few hundred dollars by themselves.
I agree with your conclusion about the snow limitations, even with a C4. But the price difference could support a 1995 Nissan Maxima, not a 2001 S4. Perhaps you were mistakenly comparing a C2 to a C4S, which adds the $10,000 "S" upgrade?
#397 of 2170 Re: 2006 c4s cab price? [habitat1]
Nov 12, 2005 (10:49 am)
I've also thought about going with the C2S cab and buying a cheapo car/truck for the winter months. But having to spend out more cash for another motor (even if only a darn Hyundai), because the $100K car won't cut it in the snow, really hurts!
Sometimes I just think I should get an M3 or similar and put the $40-50K saved into a Mutual Fund!
The biggest problem, as you say, is the ground clearance on the 997s. I know I could lease a cheapo truck cheaply for the cost of snow tires and wheels (nearly anyway) but does it make sense from any perspective?
Also, any more news on deals going around at this time?