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#361 of 2170 Re: 2006 Porsche C4s vs. 2002 Porsche Turbo [roeldls] - Counterpoint
Oct 31, 2005 (5:19 am)
I would agree with points made by Don and bsumner - as might be expected from someone who bought a new 997 himself.
However, in the spirit of fairness, I happen to know someone who has a 2001 911 Turbo Coupe with 11,000 miles that he will be selling to get a 997 Turbo, when they are available. He is a longtime Porsche enthusiast - still owns a 356 - and takes exceptionally good care of his vehicles. Whoever gets his "used" 911, will be getting a heck of a deal.
So, if YOU like the 996 style - and the Turbo does look a heck of a lot better than the non-Turbo models with their slim rear ends - then there are two factors that I would consider:
1) Do you intend to keep the car for less than 4 years? If so, the depreciation hit on the 2002 Turbo, which is already being sold for roughly $40k less than it cost new, will likely be less than a brand new 997 C4 at/near list price. I have another friend who has purchased 3 slightly used 911's over the past 10 years and his total depreciation during this time has been considerably less than what some experience with a single brand new car. You just have to accept that someone else got the fun of breaking it in and sucking up the new car smell.
2) Can you get an extended warranty at a reasonable price to protest you for another 3-4 years? A major uncovered repair could undermine the above ecconomics.
Again, I think you've heard from us that have or are getting a 997 that we strongly prefer the 997 over the 996. But that's 50% objective and 50% subjective. You need to weigh the subjective factor based upon your preferences and priorities.
P.S. Have you driven the cars back to back? If so, I'd be curious as your assessment of the difference.
#362 of 2170 997S Sport Exhaust
Nov 01, 2005 (11:25 am)
This is a question for anyone out there with 2006 or 2005 997S with Sport Exhaust option. I cannot find any literature on the Sport Exhaust in the manual. The yellow indicator light extinguishes when the system goes into sport exhaust mode. My system drops out of sport exhaust mode during moderate to heavy throttle (indicator light comes on and sound exhaust level drops significantly. I am trying to determine if this is as designed or if I have a problem. The dealer was not much help.
#363 of 2170 Re: 997S Sport Exhaust [tripf]
Nov 01, 2005 (2:35 pm)
I have a 2005 997S with the sport exhaust and sport chrono options, in addition to the standard PASM.
When I push the sport button, both the sport LED and PASM LED go on. And the sport exhaust, increased throttle reponse and sport suspension setting are activated. If I then push the PASM button, the suspension is returned to normal more, but the exhaust and throttle response remain activated (and the LED remains on).
It sounds like your system indicator is operating backwards - with the sport exhaust on when the light is off??
Also, I notice that under moderate throttle, the exhaust note gets somewhat quieter, but returns to "sport" sound during hard acceleration or cruising. But I've never had the LED light go on and off without me pushing the button, at least not that I have noticed.
#364 of 2170 Re: 997S Sport Exhaust [habitat1]
Nov 02, 2005 (8:38 am)
Thanks. I believe you have confirmed my problem. The dealer does not understand so I sent an inquiry to the tech desk at PCA. I will continue to push the dealer.
What a ride!
#365 of 2170 Re: 997S Sport Exhaust [tripf]
Nov 03, 2005 (10:00 am)
I have a 997 that I picked up in May, I have loved every second I have been driving it.
My sport exhaust does the exact same thing yours is doing.
When I start up the car the light is on and the sport exhaust is off, when I push the button the light goes out and the sport mode is on and it is noticeably louder, at that point if I get on it, the light will bounce on and the car gets quieter while under
moderate throttle, when I reduce the throttle to a "normal" level the sport mode
is back on.
let me know what you find out, I thought this was normal?????
#366 of 2170 Re: 997S Sport Exhaust [sclark]
Nov 03, 2005 (4:01 pm)
Thank you for the input. the dealer does believe that it is normal. Do you have sport Chrono? the difference could be the way the system operates with and without the Sport Chrono package. I do not have Sport Chrono.
#367 of 2170 My new 2006 2CS
Nov 04, 2005 (4:59 pm)
I Have had my new 2006 C2S for about 5 weeks now, and have put a total of 224 miles on it. I am driving it only on days off . Man, what a car. I am 55 years old and have had 4 Porsches prior to this one, but it has been a long time..KIDS! and college!. I will keep this one until the eye sight prevents me from futher driving. I quess one of the kids will get it then. Carrera White with Sand Beige interior, was a little worried about the " blah " effect of white, but it turned out beautiful. I am a little bugged by all the looks I get, I'm no loner trolling for chicks and I guess I'm over it , but you really do not see many white 997s here is So. Cal. EVERYBODY has black and silver..I love it. Evedrybody enjoy yours also, what a BLAST!!
#368 of 2170 White looks great on a P-car
Nov 04, 2005 (5:45 pm)
I turned 60 August 25th and ordered my 06 C4 Cab the day after. I should have it this coming week or early the next.
I've seen some pics of the white 997s, stunning!
Funny you mentioned eyesight, I picked up my new driving (prescription) glasses this morning!
#369 of 2170 Re: My new 2006 2CS [chrmdome]
Nov 05, 2005 (5:32 am)
But only 224 miles in 5 weeks?! I just turned 3,000 miles in 7 weeks. Since this is your 5th Porsche, I am sure you know the proper break-in procedure, but my sales manager and service manager both made me promise not to turn the motor on, unless I was going to drive at least 20-30 minutes (for the firwst 1,500 to 2,000 miles). It takes a long time for that 9+ quarts of Mobil 1 to get warmed up. I hope for your sake you get through the break-in period in less than a year at your current pace. It's even more fun then!
By the way, since you plan on keeping this car for a long time, what do you think of an extended warranty? I have gotten different answers as to how much the "rear main seal leak" problem may affect the 997's. The extended warranty I have been offered is about $4,400 to go to 7/75, but at my current pace, I would likely need 7/100.
#370 of 2170 1st time buyer - 997 c2 or c2s or c4
Nov 07, 2005 (10:35 pm)
I live in New York and plan on driving my porsche except when the road has snow, ice and/or salt. That being the case, wouldn't I be better off buying the c2s and getting more car than the c4 since I don't plan on driving it during the winter months? I'm also getting mixed opinions on how the car handles on wet roads. Is the c2 okay on wet roads? Would it make sense for me to buy the c4 for better handling on wet roads? My salesperson said the adaptive sport seats are amazing. Are the regular sport seats sufficient? I was also debating on buying the c2 and upgrading the xenon lights and 19' wheels instead of getting the c2s which has as standard options the xenon, 19' wheels, pasm & red brakes. Any thoughts? Thanks so much for any input!!