- #1983 of 2048
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Re: Winter Storage [kennygoodboy]
by 911c4s
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Nov 14, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: kennygoodboy (Apr 09, 2007 7:38 am)
I store my 911 every year. This is what I do (after extensive research and asking the dealer). Inflate tires to 50psi; clean car thoroughly in and out (make sure its dry before you put it away. I usually drive it around for an hour and get it nice and hot and get the water out of everywhere). I fill the gas tank and then put Stabilizer in the fuel tank. I connect car to a porsche trickle charger. (some say dont lock the car since that will engage the alarm and that drains the battery - i think thats unnecessary. I also put a leather treatment on the seats to keep them moist so as not to crack from the cold (im in canada, my garage gets pretty cold and dry). I close all the vents to keep the cold air out of the cabin - this helps with keeping interior leather moist. I also use a porsche cover on the car to protect from salt or scratches when moving things in and out of garage. Oh and Ive been told you shouldnt leave it in gear. The best thing to do is to put a brick under the tires and dont engage the emerg brake or leave it in gear. You can use what you want from this but this is the "full storage list" i received. I do it all except I lock the car. There are also 2 schools of thought. Start the car once in a while to get the oil hot etc. and the more popular one is to not start the car until spring at all. The idea is that some experts say that since the car is cold and drained of oil the cold start is very harsh on the car and should be avoided. I never start the car until spring. Its always worked well for me on all 3 of my porsches.
Then again, my friend does absolutely nothing except put a cover on the car and his runs fine. I prefer to do the whole ritual. Makes it seem so special to me when I put it away. My wife thinks Im nuts about the car and the procedure..which makes me think I must be right...
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- #1984 of 2048
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Re: Winter Storage [911c4s]
by madmanmoo
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Nov 15, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: 911c4s (Nov 14, 2008 5:45 pm)
I wish you were trading in your vehicles at my dealership. They must be immaculate with that kind of care.
Plus, the ritual is pretty cool. 
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- #1985 of 2048
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993 c4 versus 996 with psm?
by loastcoast
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Nov 15, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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which handles better, the 993 c4 or the (02-04) 996 c2 with psm? in particular i am interested in which is less likely to fish tail, or have its rear end slide out of my control during tight turns? i have an SC that has gotten away from me a few times and makes me worry when i push it.
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- #1987 of 2048
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Re: 1982 Porsche paint color chips [Mr_Shiftright]
by buylow
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Nov 17, 2008 (9:05 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 06, 2008 2:08 pm)
Regarding Porsche pricing after 1973, I'm starting to see what you mean about the older they are the less they are worth. There are a lot of rust bucket 911 T's out there for $25,000 and up. I've found that poor condition or high mileage after 1973 really makes the price drop, too. I believe the T's were over in 1973. I have heard to stay away from the years 1974 to 1977. I don't know why or if this is true. The sc's began in 1978 to 1983. Then you had that period from 1984 to 1986 where the engine went from 3.0 to 3.2, but the trans and clutch did not improve until 1987-1989. I've driven the 3.0 911 SC and the '87 911 3.2 with the heavier (but improved) trans and clutch. It could have been my imagination, but I thought the SC with the smaller engine was quicker than the heavier '87 with the bigger engine. Back to the marketplace, I don't look at the '87 to '89's as being a better car than the SC's (as the marketplace does). To me, they are two different Porsches with different feels. Another question, I've heard the post !973 Porsches will not appreciate much in the near future because there were so many shipped to North America. But, when I look at the production numbers of around 2 to 3,000 a year, that doesn't seem like a lot of cars to me. The only thing I can think of is that the marketplace for older Porsches is also proportionately smaller.
Earl
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- #1988 of 2048
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [loastcoast]
by buylow
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Nov 17, 2008 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: loastcoast (Nov 15, 2008 1:25 pm)
Don't know about the C4, but that PSM on the C2 is something special. Just got back from the Porsche high performance driving school in Alabama. We tried the skid pad with and without PSM and there was a big difference. On the track (2.4 miles with 14 turns and a 350 ft elevation difference) no oversteer at 50+ in the turns.We had some tight turns, but perhaps not as tight as you are talking about. These were 2008 911's and 911 S's. The 911's we used on the track had the PSM button fixed so you couldn't turn if off. By the way, I won the raffle, and got to take a hot lap in a GT3 with the race car driver Cass Whithead at the wheel. The G forces were unbelievable. The thing that impressed me most about the 911 was the breaking. We would be at 110 to 120 (there are so many turns, the straightaways are too short to go any faster) up to the last second, then hard hard breaking just before the turn. Amazing how fast these cars can stop in such a short distance. My first time on the track.
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- #1989 of 2048
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [buylow]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Nov 18, 2008 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: buylow (Nov 17, 2008 9:35 pm)
Here's a fun video of a Carrera GT from one of our member's blog:
Yes You Can Drift a Carrera GT
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- #1990 of 2048
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [Mr_Shiftright]
by buylow
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Nov 18, 2008 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 18, 2008 7:07 am)
Interesting web site. I will be checking it out. I looked at the video before reading the caption and thought he must have lifted off on the accelerator - too wide of turn for oversteer to happen at that speed. I had something just like that when it started to rain cats and dogs on the track in Alabama. The lead instructor (four to a group single file-you only get to pass in the master course) would not slow down on the straightaways. I hit a puddle going 115 mph and the rear end went all over the place. Locked in on the steering wheel and got lucky - the car stayed straight - very scary. They told us to break hard before the turn, slowly release the brakes during the first half of the turn then slowly all the way down on the accelerator coming out of the turn, petal to the metal until the next turn. They had cones to show us when to break, the apex, etc. The instructor in the lead was also on a walkie talkie. It was fun. I was sure the rear end would come out, but it didn't. Lifting off the accelerator or hitting the brakes in a turn throws the weight of the car to the front, when you want the weight on the rear tires coming out of the turn. They hammered that into us during the course. It's great having the engine ( weight) in the rear as long as you don't make a mistake. Hear's something you may not have heard. In rain, narrow tires are safer than wide tires. Weight per sq. in. of tire on the road is greater with narrower tires. In the rain, the 911 S's, with the wider tires, had to slow down more than the base 911's to stay on the track. I should have gotten into racing 40 years ago. On the other hand, maybe not. I like being old.
Earl
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- #1991 of 2048
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [buylow]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Nov 18, 2008 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: buylow (Nov 18, 2008 5:26 pm)
That's right.....slow in, fast out...
Lifting off abruptly in a hot turn is a good way to spin any car around.
I know guys 70 years old who are vintage racing. Go for it.
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