- #1979 of 2048
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Re: 1982 Porsche paint color chips [buylow]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Oct 06, 2008 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: buylow (Oct 06, 2008 1:13 pm)
The Carreras are worth more and yes you'd be crazy to pay Carrera money for an SC.
Basically, I feel pretty safe in saying that after 1973, Porsche 911s behave like used cars in the marketplace, not like classics---that is, the older they are the LESS they are worth, and the newer, the more. This seems to also hold for 944, 928, 914, etc etc.
Will this change? No sign of it yet. Maybe in another 10-20 years?
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- #1980 of 2048
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911 crash testing performance
by loastcoast
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Oct 26, 2008 (9:05 am)
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Is there any information available regarding 911 performance during crashing testing? Why does it seem like there is no crash test data either from Europe or the US?
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- #1981 of 2048
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Re: 911 crash testing performance [loastcoast]
by madmanmoo
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Oct 27, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: loastcoast (Oct 26, 2008 9:05 am)
There are no published crash tests. That's why you can't find them.
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- #1982 of 2048
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Re: 911 crash testing performance [loastcoast]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Oct 27, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: loastcoast (Oct 26, 2008 9:05 am)
That's one area where I would give Porsche the benefit of the doubt and not worry.
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- #1983 of 2048
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Re: Winter Storage [kennygoodboy]
by 911c4s
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Nov 14, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: kennygoodboy (Apr 09, 2007 7:38 am)
I store my 911 every year. This is what I do (after extensive research and asking the dealer). Inflate tires to 50psi; clean car thoroughly in and out (make sure its dry before you put it away. I usually drive it around for an hour and get it nice and hot and get the water out of everywhere). I fill the gas tank and then put Stabilizer in the fuel tank. I connect car to a porsche trickle charger. (some say dont lock the car since that will engage the alarm and that drains the battery - i think thats unnecessary. I also put a leather treatment on the seats to keep them moist so as not to crack from the cold (im in canada, my garage gets pretty cold and dry). I close all the vents to keep the cold air out of the cabin - this helps with keeping interior leather moist. I also use a porsche cover on the car to protect from salt or scratches when moving things in and out of garage. Oh and Ive been told you shouldnt leave it in gear. The best thing to do is to put a brick under the tires and dont engage the emerg brake or leave it in gear. You can use what you want from this but this is the "full storage list" i received. I do it all except I lock the car. There are also 2 schools of thought. Start the car once in a while to get the oil hot etc. and the more popular one is to not start the car until spring at all. The idea is that some experts say that since the car is cold and drained of oil the cold start is very harsh on the car and should be avoided. I never start the car until spring. Its always worked well for me on all 3 of my porsches.
Then again, my friend does absolutely nothing except put a cover on the car and his runs fine. I prefer to do the whole ritual. Makes it seem so special to me when I put it away. My wife thinks Im nuts about the car and the procedure..which makes me think I must be right...
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- #1984 of 2048
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Re: Winter Storage [911c4s]
by madmanmoo
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Nov 15, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: 911c4s (Nov 14, 2008 5:45 pm)
I wish you were trading in your vehicles at my dealership. They must be immaculate with that kind of care.
Plus, the ritual is pretty cool.
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- #1985 of 2048
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993 c4 versus 996 with psm?
by loastcoast
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Nov 15, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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which handles better, the 993 c4 or the (02-04) 996 c2 with psm? in particular i am interested in which is less likely to fish tail, or have its rear end slide out of my control during tight turns? i have an SC that has gotten away from me a few times and makes me worry when i push it.
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- #1987 of 2048
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Re: 1982 Porsche paint color chips [Mr_Shiftright]
by buylow
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Nov 17, 2008 (9:05 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 06, 2008 2:08 pm)
Regarding Porsche pricing after 1973, I'm starting to see what you mean about the older they are the less they are worth. There are a lot of rust bucket 911 T's out there for $25,000 and up. I've found that poor condition or high mileage after 1973 really makes the price drop, too. I believe the T's were over in 1973. I have heard to stay away from the years 1974 to 1977. I don't know why or if this is true. The sc's began in 1978 to 1983. Then you had that period from 1984 to 1986 where the engine went from 3.0 to 3.2, but the trans and clutch did not improve until 1987-1989. I've driven the 3.0 911 SC and the '87 911 3.2 with the heavier (but improved) trans and clutch. It could have been my imagination, but I thought the SC with the smaller engine was quicker than the heavier '87 with the bigger engine. Back to the marketplace, I don't look at the '87 to '89's as being a better car than the SC's (as the marketplace does). To me, they are two different Porsches with different feels. Another question, I've heard the post !973 Porsches will not appreciate much in the near future because there were so many shipped to North America. But, when I look at the production numbers of around 2 to 3,000 a year, that doesn't seem like a lot of cars to me. The only thing I can think of is that the marketplace for older Porsches is also proportionately smaller.
Earl
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- #1988 of 2048
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [loastcoast]
by buylow
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Nov 17, 2008 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: loastcoast (Nov 15, 2008 1:25 pm)
Don't know about the C4, but that PSM on the C2 is something special. Just got back from the Porsche high performance driving school in Alabama. We tried the skid pad with and without PSM and there was a big difference. On the track (2.4 miles with 14 turns and a 350 ft elevation difference) no oversteer at 50+ in the turns.We had some tight turns, but perhaps not as tight as you are talking about. These were 2008 911's and 911 S's. The 911's we used on the track had the PSM button fixed so you couldn't turn if off. By the way, I won the raffle, and got to take a hot lap in a GT3 with the race car driver Cass Whithead at the wheel. The G forces were unbelievable. The thing that impressed me most about the 911 was the breaking. We would be at 110 to 120 (there are so many turns, the straightaways are too short to go any faster) up to the last second, then hard hard breaking just before the turn. Amazing how fast these cars can stop in such a short distance. My first time on the track.
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