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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [madmanmoo] by habitat1
Aug 21, 2008 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Aug 20, 2008 12:46 pm)

So then I have to ask, if $55k is a good price for a 2005 C2 base with 39k miles and no CPO, what would you think is a good price for a 2005 C2S Cab with 22k miles and a few more options? (FWIW, I'm guessing the original MSRP was about $23-25k higher)
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [Mr_Shiftright] by buylow
Aug 21, 2008 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 21, 2008 9:40 am)

Thanks for the info, guys. I have been doing a little reading on the 1978-83 911 SC's and the 1987-89 911's. Sounds like the 1987-89's have a bigger clutch, improved transmission and hydraulic clutch activation (easier to shift). As you say, easier to drive around town. This may be the one. The problem is that these '89's with 30 to 60,000 miles are running $32,000 to $35,000. Check out www.truspeedmotorcars.com. The cars are in excellent condition and Truspeed has its own mechanics that go through them, I think, plus they are only 30 miles from where I live in So. California.They e-mailed me the prices of their inventory. EbayMotors isn't much better on the pricing. When you say 1987-89,s for under $20,000, are you talking 100,000 miles +??. Obviously, private party would be cheaper, but riskier. Going to check out Truspeed this Saturday. As long as I don't drive it, I won't buy it.
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [buylow] by lemmer
Aug 22, 2008 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: buylow (Aug 21, 2008 8:57 pm)

100K + on these cars doesn't bother me a bit. They are 20 years old after all.
I just did a quick check of autotrader and saw piles of low mileage 87-89s for around $20K, and that is just asking prices.
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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [habitat1] by madmanmoo
Aug 22, 2008 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Aug 21, 2008 3:47 pm)

You would be looking in the low $60k's. Habitat1, the 997's aren't going underneath $50k yet unless you get a beater. I know you seem to have your finger on the pulse of the market, but I watch these vehicles come and go every day. It isn't there yet. At least in my market.
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [buylow] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 22, 2008 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: buylow (Aug 21, 2008 8:57 pm)

Paying a $10K premium to buy through some sort of boutique dealer is not the way I would go...
 
These cars aren't garage queens (for the most part)... people drive them..
 
Not sure why Shifty doesn't like the '84-'86 models, but any of those will be under $20K.... plus, most of the '87-'89 models, as well.. You should be able to find a really nice example for $18K-$20K... $25K+ for a Carrera of that vintage is nuts..
 
If I'm paying over $30K, I'd look for the '94-'96 model... (not that you'll find any, but you could look..lol).
 
Oh yeah... get a coupe and stay away from the targa or convertible..
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [kyfdx] by lemmer
Aug 22, 2008 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 22, 2008 6:21 am)

84-86 still have the old style transmission and clutch. That is why 87-89s are preferred by most. It clearly doesn't matter to me too much since I am in the process of purchasing an '86.
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [lemmer] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 22, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Aug 22, 2008 6:25 am)

I had an '84.. Didn't know they were different... Of course, I still have a massive left quad muscle, and I sold the car in '94... lol.
 
'86... big update... you get the third center-mounted brake light..
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [kyfdx] by lemmer
Aug 22, 2008 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 22, 2008 6:28 am)

If I want something easy to drive, I'll borrow the wife's Pilot. Comfort is for sissies.
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [lemmer] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 22, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Aug 22, 2008 6:25 am)

The 87-89 clutch is like "budda". It's really a significant improvement. The shifts are sure for one thing, you don't have to miss shifts, jam the lever in, or constantly re-adjust the clutch cable like on the 84-86s. And you'll get more time between clutch replacements.
 
I agree, $20K should be more than enough to get a clean driver Carrera in very good condition. Porsche Carrera engines are EASY 200,000 mile engines and I have seen them unopened up to 250K.
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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [madmanmoo] by habitat1
Aug 23, 2008 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Aug 22, 2008 5:21 am)

I respect your first hand experience, but your two estimates of fair value don't seem to reconcile with each other:
 
C2 base coupe, 39,000 miles $55k.
C2 "S" Cab, 22,000 miles $62k +/-.
 
In my market, the "S" alone is worth at least $5-7k in the used market Not sure about the cab vs. coupe since it is somewhat seasonal, but the list price is $10k more for the Cab. And, although 911's are not Ferrari 430's where extra miles on the odometer cost you about $2 each, the extra 17k mileage has to have some impact on resale ($5-7k?). Collectively, it looks to me like these total a $15k difference, not $7-8K+/-.
 
If my math is correct, then either the "low 60's" for a C2S Cab w/22k miles is the right number and the C2 coupe should be high $40's, or the $55k number for the C2 base coupe is right and the C2S Cab should be high 60's/$70k. That doesn't take into consideration the effect of a tiptronic vs. 6-speed transmission which, although a $3,400 option, my dealer insists is a detraction when it comes to resale. Especially now that the new double clutch DSG is out.
 
Feel free to tell me where my math/rationale is off - it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

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