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Re: 928 history [habitat1] by huntzinger
Jun 18, 2008 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jun 18, 2008 4:09 am)

The "problem" with the 928, if you want to call it that, was that it was relatively heavy, more luxurious, but not particularly nimble, and really never was perceived as a sports car. It was always a GT car.
 
I can certainly agree with that, particularly as how you go on to mention about it being an "upsell" for potential 924/944/968 buyers.
 
I think that what Porsche overlooked is that while they did have a customer demographic who wanted more luxury, a stronger contingent of these consumers desired the marquee benchmark (the 911), but could only afford the 944's lower price point. As the 944 (and 968) creeped up in price, the price gap to the 911 narrowed, which resulted in self-canabalizing sales and the inevitable discontinuation of the 4-cyl {924/944/944T/968} product line.
 
I suspect that the Boxster has been mostly successful in avoiding this fate through a careful product-price placement combination of lower price and being a convertible, which tends to move its price point comparison from the 911 coupe to the higher priced 911 Targa and/or 911 Convertible.
 
FWIW, I do find it interesting that today, that the cheapest new Porsche isn't the Boxster or Cayman, but is actually the Cayenne SUV.
 
-hh
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Re: 928 history [huntzinger] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 18, 2008 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: huntzinger (Jun 18, 2008 7:23 am)

I don't think that the Boxster lures too many 911 shoppers, at least not the drivers who really understand what a 911 type is.
 
Perhaps there's some crossover between a Boxster S and a 911 type, but if you poll the demographics for each type of car, especially non-S vs. 911 type, you'll notice a distinct difference I think in most cases. Not many women are fond of the 911 as an everyday driver IMO.
 
But yeah, Porsche gets the best of both worlds with these two different types.
 
I'd still drive 928s if they weren't such maintenance hogs. Fabulous car.
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About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO by eliomay
Aug 18, 2008 (9:24 pm)
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Going to check out a '05 997 tomorrow (for $55K, 39K miles, Tiptronic S transmission, Bi-Xenon headlamps, dual power/heated seats, Sport Steering Wheel, PASM, Sport Chrono Plus, NAVIGATION, and BOSE Premium Sound System).
 
There's 9 months/11K miles left on the warranty, but no CPO and I'll be trading in my 01 996 C2 for it.
 
I know l should have a CPO, but as its still under porsche warranty l feel it should be ok. Any big problems should make themselves known in the next 9 months or so ( l think).
 
Would be grateful for your thoughts on this.
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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [eliomay] by habitat1
Aug 20, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: eliomay (Aug 18, 2008 9:24 pm)

Is that a 2005 C2 base coupe? If so, price sounds a little high.
 
I was told my 2005 911S Cab is worth (private sale) in the neighborhood of $65k with 21k miles and 13 months left on warranty. I have all of your options, plus some (leather, sport exhaust, etc.). I would have expected a base coupe with you mileage to be closer to $50k or less. If it's an S model, then the pricing is more reasonable.
 
Another thing to consider is that, at least in my area, used Tiptronics go for less than a comparable 6-speed. I've seen tiptronic 911's linger on my dealer's lot for a few months and then go to auction. So there may be some good deals out there if you shop around.
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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [habitat1] by eliomay
Aug 20, 2008 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Aug 20, 2008 8:04 am)

Yes, thats a base.
 
Really, $55K is too high for a '05 997 C2? If so, thats good news. I only started looking a few days ago, so l will shop around a while. Not in a hurry, but after l drove a brand new 997, l have to upgrade.
 
BTW, what do you think about buying a car that has a factory warranty but no CPO.
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Re: About to buy 05 C2 997, no CPO [eliomay] by madmanmoo
Aug 20, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: eliomay (Aug 20, 2008 12:17 pm)

$55k sounds like a good enough deal to me and sounds about right on target for the market right now. Check autotrader and some other websites to give you an idea.
 
-moo
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1978-83 911SC by buylow
Aug 20, 2008 (6:53 pm)
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I was reading an article in "Excellence" magazine about the 10 Porsches to collect today. The 1978-83 911SC caught my eye and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion about buying one of these cars? The article claims that a nice one would cost between $16,000 & $19,000, that they're loads of these cars around, that they're durable, fun, don't rust like older Porsches, and the 2.0 engine is a good one. I'm not buying it as an investment, just to have fun with and to see where my 2006 911 came from. I don't mind a restoration project. I just don't want to buy a bucket of bolts that is always breaking down. Perhaps there is no such thing in the Prosche family as a bucket of bolts, but you get what I mean. What do you think?
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [buylow] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 21, 2008 (2:58 am)
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Replying to: buylow (Aug 20, 2008 6:53 pm)

For that price, you can get an '84-'89 Carrera.. which is what I would do..
 
That price seems high for a 911SC, but I'm not in that market, so maybe it's firmed up some... Most of the cars I see go for $9K-$13K (maybe for a good reason, though).
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [kyfdx] by lemmer
Aug 21, 2008 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 21, 2008 2:58 am)

I agree with kyfdx. That money should get a nice Carrera. The SCs run a couple of grand cheaper, but anything cheaper than $12K is probably a nightmare. I actually was planning to buy an SC, but I found a good deal on an 86 Carerra through a friend. Both are great cars.
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Re: 1978-83 911SC [buylow] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 21, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: buylow (Aug 20, 2008 6:53 pm)

The 78-83 SCs are very rugged, reliable cars with a 3.0 engine (not 2.0) but you might find the 87-89 Carrera a lot more refined and easier to drive around town. Coming from a water cooled 996 as you have, you may find the air cooled cars quite a bit different from what you drive. They are decidedly edgier and more electric.
 
I agree with the others---"Excellence" is making silly prices again.

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