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Hey Huntzinger! I haven't seen you post in a few years! Good to see you're still around.
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Replying to: huntzinger (Jun 17, 2008 10:39 am) The "problem" with the 928, if you want to call it that, was that it was relatively heavy, more luxurious, but not particularly nimble, and really never was perceived as a sports car. It was always a GT car. If it were around today, it might be viewed as competition for the BMW 650i/M6 or even the AM V8, but not the 911 or Ferrari 430. According to my dealer, the 928 buyers were more inclined to be higher income versions of 924/944/968 buyers. But not someone who came in looking specifically at the 911 as a "sports car" purchase.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 17, 2008 11:29 am) I agree, although my more generalized complaint is that IMO, NADA book values seem to always be overly optimistic. In general, I figure that it would cost be around $5K to correctly restore the two current cosmetic shortcomings. As I alluded to, the killer on the dash is the huge amount of labor involved, as the dash can only be removed after the windshield has been popped out (hopefully without breaking it). In general, the remedial fix used on most cars in this vintage has been to cover it up by throwing on a dashboard rug or skin. The skin is the better solution, but my dash is blue and as of the last time that I checked, only black skins are currently in production. The local independent Porsche shop has the availability of this part on their 'watch list' for me. I don't think any performance car amortizes as well over the years as a Porsche 911. Agreed, and this was my point. Even with my current cosmetic shortcomings, the absolute worst case is to claim that its worth literally zero, which works out for me to an average rate of depreciation of $100/month over my ownership timeline. -hh |
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Replying to: nyccarguy (Jun 17, 2008 5:13 pm) Now where did that old "I don't like SUVs why do you?" thread disappear to? Its needed more now than ever!  Things have been busy with us over the last couple of years - a lot of work stuff, but some personal downtime too; (my newer photography website if you're interested). We're getting back into a car-buying cycle for the Mrs, so I've been poking around Edmunds again...maybe next year, she'll let me trade in my '85 for a 997, although I've been sniffing at Caymans for awhile too. Remind me to tell you of my visit to the Mercedes & Porsche museums and Porsche factory too last September - - unfortunately no photos inside, as they were manufacturing the 2008s but hadn't done the press release for them yet. -hh |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jun 18, 2008 4:09 am) I can certainly agree with that, particularly as how you go on to mention about it being an "upsell" for potential 924/944/968 buyers. I think that what Porsche overlooked is that while they did have a customer demographic who wanted more luxury, a stronger contingent of these consumers desired the marquee benchmark (the 911), but could only afford the 944's lower price point. As the 944 (and 968) creeped up in price, the price gap to the 911 narrowed, which resulted in self-canabalizing sales and the inevitable discontinuation of the 4-cyl {924/944/944T/968} product line. I suspect that the Boxster has been mostly successful in avoiding this fate through a careful product-price placement combination of lower price and being a convertible, which tends to move its price point comparison from the 911 coupe to the higher priced 911 Targa and/or 911 Convertible. FWIW, I do find it interesting that today, that the cheapest new Porsche isn't the Boxster or Cayman, but is actually the Cayenne SUV. -hh
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Replying to: huntzinger (Jun 18, 2008 7:23 am) Perhaps there's some crossover between a Boxster S and a 911 type, but if you poll the demographics for each type of car, especially non-S vs. 911 type, you'll notice a distinct difference I think in most cases. Not many women are fond of the 911 as an everyday driver IMO. But yeah, Porsche gets the best of both worlds with these two different types. I'd still drive 928s if they weren't such maintenance hogs. Fabulous car. |
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Going to check out a '05 997 tomorrow (for $55K, 39K miles, Tiptronic S transmission, Bi-Xenon headlamps, dual power/heated seats, Sport Steering Wheel, PASM, Sport Chrono Plus, NAVIGATION, and BOSE Premium Sound System). There's 9 months/11K miles left on the warranty, but no CPO and I'll be trading in my 01 996 C2 for it. I know l should have a CPO, but as its still under porsche warranty l feel it should be ok. Any big problems should make themselves known in the next 9 months or so ( l think). Would be grateful for your thoughts on this.
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Replying to: eliomay (Aug 18, 2008 9:24 pm) I was told my 2005 911S Cab is worth (private sale) in the neighborhood of $65k with 21k miles and 13 months left on warranty. I have all of your options, plus some (leather, sport exhaust, etc.). I would have expected a base coupe with you mileage to be closer to $50k or less. If it's an S model, then the pricing is more reasonable. Another thing to consider is that, at least in my area, used Tiptronics go for less than a comparable 6-speed. I've seen tiptronic 911's linger on my dealer's lot for a few months and then go to auction. So there may be some good deals out there if you shop around.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Aug 20, 2008 8:04 am) Really, $55K is too high for a '05 997 C2? If so, thats good news. I only started looking a few days ago, so l will shop around a while. Not in a hurry, but after l drove a brand new 997, l have to upgrade. BTW, what do you think about buying a car that has a factory warranty but no CPO.
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Replying to: eliomay (Aug 20, 2008 12:17 pm) -moo
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