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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 04, 2008 5:20 pm) I respect your personal opinions, but just to give you another perspective: Heated seats are worth every penny in my Cab. I won't hesitate to put the top down at anything over 45-50 in the early spring or late fall. But even 60 will feel cold without heated seats. Bose is lousy. The base (non-Bose) stereo in my 1995 Nissan Maxima produces far superior sound to my "upgraded" Bose 14 speaker system in the 911. But I bought an in-stock car at a $10k discount, so I ate it. Sport exhaust? Wouldn't have bought it, given the choice, but now that I have it, combined with the sport chrono, I'd be hard pressed not to order it. No "official" claims of performance increases, but it sure as hell feels quicker in combination with the sport chrono. Sport-Chrono. This is a must have for anybody serious about performance. Forget the chrono part (and you overpaid for a $200 runners watch). The "sport" part, which when activated noticably increases throttle response, brake response and, combined with the sport exhaust, makes the car feel at least a couple tenths quicker. After many test drives of all models, I would consider putting the $900 +/- sport chrono on a base C2 before I would pay $10k more for a C2S without it. Rear wiper - Now there's an opportunity to save bucks. It looks ugly and you have to be going pretty damn slow to have water sitting on your rear window. This past weekend, I managed to drive through a brief 10 minute spring rain at 50 mph with my top down and golf clubs across the back seats and I had no more than 5-6 drops of rain in the car, all from the sides, not the top. Maybe on a C4 in the snow belt, but I wouldn't consider one on a C2 coupe that isn't going to see snow. |
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 05, 2008 5:38 pm) Sorry to sound like I'm picking on you, but that statement is WAY off, on a couple of counts. First, up until now, all Tiptronics were SLUSHBOX torque converter automatics. And, while Porsche's version of that crappy (IMHO) transmission design was better than most, you can't claim that it was anything less than offensive to someone who wants direct control and crisp performance. Second, that crappy slushbox isn't "free". Insult was added to injury by having to pay $3k+ more for a slushbox than a 6 speed in a Cayenne. The base V6 model can be ordered with a 6 speed manual and the actual performance is damn near as good as a V8 Cayenne "S" automatic - with better fuel economy as a bonus. The new Cayenne GT-S comes with a 6-speed manual for $3k less than the slushbox version and (again, IMHO) is the Cayenne that most deserves the Porsche crest on the hood. More so than the Turbo. Torque converter slushbox automatics ought to be banished from Porsche's line-up completely. And, hopefully, the newest 911 DSG transmissions will cause that to happen over the next few years. Make no mistake, I'm still a strong personal fan of the true 6-speed three pedal manual. And I think this "launch control" gimmickry is catering to the wrong crowd that still thinks stop light drag racing is the bomb. But at least with the latest dual clutch transmissions, they have put the torque converter where it belongs - on the unemployment line. P.S. My dealer has taken back on trade a significant number of the 911 Turbo Tiptronics he has sold since it was introduced. Almost all for manual transmisison somethings. His take is that, paddle shifters, launch control and "it's faster" marketing did little to hide that the Tiptronic has more in common with a Buick than a Ferrari F1.
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Jun 06, 2008 9:39 am) Thank you for the information on the 2009's. The information on the prosche web site was very interesting. Just a couple of questions, Porsche talks about the new generation. Does this mean that the 997 is history? Are the new transmission and clutch offered as options only (answer may have been on the site, but I missed it)? If so, do you have any idea as to how much? Do you see this new trans and clutch ever totally replacing the 6 speed manual, or is it more like replacing the tiptronic?
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Replying to: buylow (Jun 10, 2008 4:43 pm) In regards to your questions: 1. 997 history? Nope, they are referring to this as Generation 2. 2. PDK is offered as an option. Approximately 50% of the vehicles we have coming in will be with the new dual clutch system. Price? There have been no releases on pricing yet. Speculation? Probably $4k. 3. PDK replacing manual? Absolutely not. It is replacing the current Tiptronic. You can run it in automatic mode if you would like or use the shifters on the steering wheel. It's really an awesome system. I'm excited about that, the dynamic lighting, Direct Fuel Injection and the host of extras with technology. Finally we have bluetooth! -moo |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jun 10, 2008 3:17 am) Regarding stick shift Cayenne's, your comments are, again, correct. However, stick Cayennes have been very hard to find. Dealers tended not to order them. When I bought my Tip Cayenne, the experienced (he was over 40!) sales guy thought that given the Cayenne's weight, a Tip was more desireable. I didn't want to argue, have to special order a stiick shift, and miss out on my Section 179 income tax deduction for buying a "delivery vehcile with 6000 GVW". On my next Cayenne (yep, I''m going to get another one, independent of buying a 997) I will go for the stick. I'll have more fun than a 63 year old guy should have, and buy some emerging market bonds with the 3K I will save. Interestingly, on some other European cars ( e.g., SAAB 9-5 and maybe some BMW's) , the default option is an automatic and if you really want to order a stick it is the same price as an auto! Does GM and Mr. Lutz really have to wonder why SAAB no longer has the sparkle and hard core owners it used to have? |
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Thanks for all your feedback here. I got distracted with my 135i posts, and missed some of your valuable posts... sorry. Actually, I am going to consider trading my Carrera S Cab in for an '09 Coupe. It's just an idea at this point, so we'll see. The 135i is an amazing car, but I'm already trading the 135i Coupe for a 135i Convertible. That's one reason I might get the '09 Carrera as a Coupe. Not sure yet. Mine has been nearly perfect , although the interior carbon fiber strip at the base of the windshield has warped... the dealer is going to replace it. Minor issue, that's for sure! Stay in touch!  TM
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Replying to: tagman (Jun 16, 2008 8:56 am) Keep us posted.  -moo |
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 13, 2008 7:26 pm) If I recall my Porsche history correctly, the 928 was indeed intended to replace the 911, as Porsche was anticipating problems in getting an aircooled motor to meet the pollution standards of the day. Do keep in mind that both the 928 and the 911 can be considered to be 2-door coupes with "2+2" seating, and particularly in its day, the sports car paradigm was that a V8 motor was preferred than any 6. They underestimated their consumer's preference for the 911, and as a result, the 911 soldiered on (and eventually became water cooled) and the 928 died. What probably didn't help the 928, particularly in resale value, is that there were some (cough!) interesting design elements to it - - my understanding is that part of the wiring harness under the dash was semi-visible to the passenger compartment, so in order to avoid making it be a distraction, they chose to make all of these wires be black. Needless to say, trying to trace one black wire out of a forest of black wires makes for a nightmare to track down an electrical gremlin. There's been some on-again, off-again efforts to bring back a 928-esque model, the most recent one being the Panamerica 4 door coupe, IIRC. -hh
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 26, 2008 8:05 am) The good news is that the introduction of the Cayenne is what pretty much prompted the 'rear engine aircooled' contingent to finally accept the 914 as a 'real' Porsche, despite its VW heritage.  The great thing about a Porsche 911 type is that if you buy it new or slightly used and take really good care of it, it will be running years---decades---after every Ferrari or Corvette or other "supercar" has either gone to the breaker or to the restoration shop for a resurrection. I can vouch for this. Around 1992, I bought a 1985 911 for $19.5K. As per NADA claimed values, its now worth around $18K...its depreciated by a whopping $2K over 15 years. A 911 may cost you $150 a month to keep happy, but a Ferrari will cost you $1.50 a mile, at least. And that's a number I have carefully researched. Over the past 15 years, I've gone through a couple of sets of tires, repaired & updated the A/C from R-12 to R-134, replaced the sunroof gasket, replaced the 915 transmission synchros (and clutch, while it was open), plus other miscellany...all told, probably still under $10,000 in total maintenance costs. Adding in the above depreciation (but not counting gasoline or insurance), I'm still at less than $1000/year, although there are a couple of asthetic items that I have to decide if to drop the coin to take care of: shrink cracks in the vinyl dashboard ($3K labor), and the leather on the driver's seat is just about at its end of life. But then again, what does one really expect for a 23 year old car? Well, just this past weekend, my wife asked if I might want to drive it from NJ to TN next summer. That should give you an idea of how solid its mechanicals are. -hh
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Replying to: huntzinger (Jun 17, 2008 10:51 am)
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