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Re: 996 oil consumption [911nut] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 07, 2008 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: 911nut (May 07, 2008 7:53 pm)

It's certainly not "within spec" that's for sure. Did you mean 1.25 qt every 3000 miles? that would be okay. It's fine for an engine to use a little oil; in fact, probably good for it.
 
If it wasn't a TYPO and you are using a quart every 300 miles, you have a serious problem that may require a new short block.
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Re: 996 oil consumption [Mr_Shiftright] by 911nut
May 08, 2008 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 07, 2008 9:43 pm)

I wish it was 3000 miles. Unfortunately its every 300 miles.
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Re: 996 oil consumption [911nut] by bsissi
May 08, 2008 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: 911nut (May 07, 2008 7:53 pm)

I bought a used 2004 911 with 24k miles and discovered that it was using 1.3 qts every 400-500 miles. I had to put pressure on the dealer to replace the engine becuase their magic number is 1.67 qts per 660 miles.. which is bull. You would have to fill the passenger seat with oil for a trip of any distance.
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Re: 996 oil consumption [bsissi] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2008 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: bsissi (May 08, 2008 3:53 pm)

That's crazy. I can't believe the Porsche factory would issue such a statement in print. Maybe the dealer is just making this up?
 
Any consumption under 1 qt per 1,000 miles is alarming IMO.
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Re: Porsche active suspension management [habitat1] by buylow
May 08, 2008 (8:41 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 07, 2008 2:18 am)

Thanks for the info on PASM and certified pre-owned warranty. I guess if the mark up is higher on CPO's then you have to negotiate harder and know your prices. When I bought my 2006 911 from the porsche dealer I was playing off a similar 2006 porsche I liked that was at a BMW dealer. The porsche dealer wanted $71,000 (13,000 miles). The BMW dealer also wanted $71,000 (of course, not CPO), but quickly came down to $65,000 (12,000 miles). The next day, when I was at the prosche dealer, the BMW guy called and said he would drop the price lower, so I was fired up while negotiating with the prosche dealer. I tried to get the car for $61,000, but the porsche dealer would not go below $65,000. When I got up to walk out, he threw in the towel and said he would extend the warranty to 100,000 miles and take it out to 2012 if I bought it now. I bought the car and thought I had cut a fat hog. The salesman made it sound like he was giving up the store and wouldn't eat for a week, but from reading this forum, it sounds like the CPO comes with the car anyway. I guess I'm going to have to change my user name.
 
To change the subject, there has been a lot of talk about oil leaks due to possibly not breaking in the car properly. This seems to be more with the 996's and earlier. I don't remember reading about any 997's with this problem. I have a cabinet shop in my garage and have to park my 997 outside in order to work which is probably 4 to 5 times a week. Engine on about 30 seconds. The car has 13,800 miles and let's assume it was broken in properly. We usually go for a one or two hour drive on a
Sat. or Sun. with a lot of freeway driving at 60 to 80 mph. Don't drive it during the week. I'm assuming that having the engine on for just 30 seconds is better than driving it for 5 to 10 mins. Just like not turning the engine on at all, right? Or, does it matter at all, assuming that the car was broken in properly. This stuff about the problems not showing up until 45 or 50,000 is scary. And, these guys that are having so much oil consumption on cars that costs over $70,000 is just unbelievable. Any thoughts?
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Re: Porsche active suspension management [buylow] by habitat1
May 09, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: buylow (May 08, 2008 8:41 pm)

At 13k miles, your car was either broken in properly or not by the original owner. I don't think turning the engine on and off to move it in and out of your driveway is going to cause any harm at this point.
 
The lesson I was given by my dealer on break in was simple. Don't turn the key unless you are going to drive the car for 15-20 minutes - i.e. until the oild temperature (not just water temp) gets to full operating level, and then keep it there for another 5+ minutes. This gives the seals, gaskets, rings and all engine parts the opportunity to full expand and contract during the break in period.
 
I have 19.2k miles on my 2005 and just added my first 3/4 quart of oil since it was changed at 13k miles. I do think the 997 model addressed most (but perhaps not all) RMS leak design issues, but there were reports on RennTech of at least 1-2 owners that had RMS leaks on 997 models. Don't recall the circumstances.
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Re: Porsche active suspension management [habitat1] by buylow
May 09, 2008 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 09, 2008 9:54 am)

Thanks for the info. Your post brings up another question - oil changes. Was the 13,000 miles your first oil change? The manual says every 20,000 miles. My 2006, which I just got a month ago has 13,800 miles. I don't know if the oil was ever changed. The computer reading shows almost full, one notch down on the little graph. I was going to wait until 20,000 miles, but what do you think? I could ask the service manager at the prosche dealer, but I'm sure they would recommmed frequent changes. I've never heard of 20,000 mile oil changes. Is it the engine or type of oil that lets the car go so long? I assume you're happy with 3/4 qt over 6000 miles? If this is normal, I will expect the same when I reach !9,000 miles.
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Re: Porsche active suspension management [buylow] by habitat1
May 10, 2008 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: buylow (May 09, 2008 6:53 pm)

Actually, upon further review of my records, I was mistaken. My last oil change was at 15k miles and 23 months, not 13k miles. I had my first oil change and service and done early at about 10k miles and 14 months. I was nervous about waiting the 2 full years, even though both my servicing dealer and selling dealer service managers said that it is fine for the 997. Unfortunately, I think the service technician forgot to reset the service computer and a "service due" light came on at 23 months, so I ended up doing it again. Even then 3/4 quart in the past 4,000 miles is pretty normal for a 911, perhaps even on the light side.
 
20,000 miles or 2 years between oil changes does sound like a long time, but the engine holds 9+ quarts and the oil filter is a large $40+ filter. And everyone from Porsche that I talked to said that this was a specific design feature/intent of the 997 model - i.e. reduced maintenance intervals.
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Trip computer by buylow
May 10, 2008 (8:11 am)
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The information exchange on this forum is very valuable. It gives someone like me a heads up on what to expect in the future as well as possible solutions. I guess my porsche is ready for an oil change - two years old. I don't know the in service date - in fact I do. I think on the trip computer under continuous, it shows the beginning date. I thought the information under continuous was valuable. You get an idea how the previous owner drove the car (in my case only one previous owner). My mpg was 16.1, and the average speed was, I think, around 30 miles when I purchased the car. Since I get 14mpg in town and 26+ on the freeway in 6th gear going 70 mph, I would conclude that the car had a balance of freeway and highway time. I always thought that the faster you go over 50 mpg really eats up the gas. However, because of the 6th gear (overdrive), the increased consumption from 65 to 80 mpg is very small - the rpm hangs around 3000. The trip computer dramatically shows you how stop and go can eat up the gas (obvious, but you see it very graphically on the computer). I have to shut it off when I'm in town.
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Re: Trip computer [buylow] by habitat1
May 11, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: buylow (May 10, 2008 8:11 am)

You should have recieved a complete service history when you bought the car, so there should be no guessing about the in-service date, whether or not there has been a previous oil change, and a printout of all service or warranty visits back to the dealer. Porsche keeps computer records of everything, so that if the car ever needs to go to a different dealer for service, they can pull it up the history immediately.
 
If you didn't get that, ask for it. My selling dealership provides it up front on all CPO cars.

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