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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 20, 2008 3:06 pm) The Cab starts out about 200 lbs heavier than the coupe, so it's not quite as quick or nimble. My dealer claims that the "4", with another 150+/- lbs of weight and a "drive train power loss" of 5%+/- is like losing 30hp off the engine (the equivalent of the difference between the S and base). So, of the various 911 configurations, ranked in terms of quickness, a base C4 would be lowest, C2 and C4S about equal in the middle, C2S highest. As for rain handling, the "4" will obviously be better. But I have been pleasantly surprised as to how well my C2S handles medium to heavy rain on the highway. It is as stable as my FWD Acura TL and way better than my former Honda S2000. I don't try to push the car under those conditions, but for wet weather (not snow) I find the "2" satisfactory. I don't drive it in the snow period, and even the "4" would require winter tires if that was your intent. On the appearance, without seeing the model designation on the rear, I would have almost as much difficulty telling the difference in width between a C4 and C2S as I would be able to tell that the "S" is a couple of centimeters lower than the base C4. A lot of dealers promote the "more aggressive" look of the "4" but when I asked one of them to pick out the "4"'s out of a line of 911's from the front/side, he embarassed himself with several mistakes. Unless you stongly prefer the driving feel and/or are going to use the AWD system a lot, I think the price of the "4" (including lower fuel economy and added maintenance), is difficult to justify on "looks". And, like I said, I actually find the "2" to be more nimble, quick and fun to drive on dry roads. The "S" is a budget issue. I think it gives you a lot of bang for the buck, with Xenon, PASM, etc. in addition to 30 more horsepower. But if it puts you in an uncomfrtable price point, forget it. The base car with 325 hp is still 100% 911 behind the wheel. I'm out for several days for the Easter holiday. I'll check back next week if you want my opinions on anything else. But remember, they are just my opinions and your's are what is most important. Fortunaely, Porche makes enough 911 variations to satisfy just about everybody.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 21, 2008 1:59 am) Dealer has offered $95k for the car. Still above the 85k I want to spend. Assuming I am right about the MSRP of 104K not the 108K, this is only a 9K depreciation or 13k if the dealer is correct. If I expect to save about 7k off of MSRP with a 2008 (is that reasonable?) then based upon that I am only looking at a 2k savings for an 07' car. Or are my numbers way off? Sooo anyones' opinions are welcomed! silver 2007 C4S cab self dimming mirrors heated front seats sport chrono navigation bose power seats Porsche crest in the headrests 19" carrera sport wheels center console painted exterior color
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 21, 2008 5:51 pm) |
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 21, 2008 5:51 pm) Assuming the car is brand new, with 50 or fewer miles on the odometer, and no in service date, the $95k offer by the dealer is slightly above invoice. Not bad, except, as you say, not your preferred color or exact option choices. And it's not just a "leftover" 2007, it's a languishing 2007, with April around the corner. In my opinion, I think you would be better off going for exactly the car/color you want in a 2008, shooting for $8,000 off. If you go for a "2" rather than a "4" and scrap the nav and cosmetic options, you will be a couple of thousand below the price of this leftover 2007. Or , if you think you can live with the silver and it is a NEW car, write a check for $90k and dare them to rip it up. Not too many people are willing to buy a 2007 this late in the game, when 2009's are only 6 months away. Maybe they'll take it. But if they don't, then you can get the exact car you want knowing you made a good run at the 2007.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 24, 2008 3:24 pm) |
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 24, 2008 7:05 pm) If you do really want AWD, then habitat's suggestion of $90k ($18k off sticker) would be right at the point where I would agree you are getting a very good deal on a leftover 2007, assuming it is indeed a new car. That's below what my dealer would go, but he doesn't let cars hang around a full 7 months after the previous model year ends. He would have discounted that car to $95-97k last in October and been done with it. The fact that it is still around is suspiscious and I'd make sure you get the full story. Good luck.
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 24, 2008 7:05 pm) Spritinthesky raises another good point. If you want AWD, getting the car for several thousand under invoice is a good deal. But if you were inclined to go with RWD, that's a nearly $6,000 savings on MSRP. When I bought my 2005 C2S Cab off the lot, it had $13.5k in options of which I would not have ordered at least $4,500 (sport exhaust, leather seats, aluminum sill plate). Therefore, my $10k discount was really only about a $5,500 savings over the car that I would have ordered to my exact specifications. (Not including the $2,500 savings in base MSRP of a 2005 over the 2006). With all of the Porsche option selections, you really need to price the car against what, given the choice, you would exactly order. And then determine if the savings are worth it for you. I will say that I thought the sport exhaust was a frivolous $2,400 option, but in the intervening 2.5 years, I have really like the aggressive sound that can be turned on and off at the press of the "sport" button. Similarly, you might find that $2,100 for a nav system is equally frivolous, but if you essentially get it for free with a big discount, it is nice to have. |
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| I've had several Porsche' 911's (six), the last two being the C4S model, and never had the sport exhaust. However, the guys at my dealership told me that while being somewhat of a frivolous accessory, everyone that had it loved it, and once having had it, always order it on their new cars. | |
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Replying to: spiritinthesky (Mar 25, 2008 2:50 am) I love the exchange between the board members and the prospective owner over the past month. I am also looking into buying my first 911 (997) and am trying to decide whether or not I should get a gently used one or order exactly what I want. The trouble I seem to be having with the used market is that the listings I am finding all seem to be asking well over what Edmunds (and even KBB which I find is usually artificially higher) says a private party should be selling for. Now, I know everyone LOVES the car they ordered, so I can sort of understand people holding out for top dollar on their baby, but a private party asking for 10,000 below MSRP for a 2007 car just seems silly to me. Am I off base? Here's the car I'd like to buy for a fair price: 2007 C4S Coupe Tiptronic 4200 Miles GT silver (frivolous option ordered by owner) Power Seats w/memory upgraded sound 19" S wheels in crome PCM navigation system (I think that's it) I price this on edmunds used car calculator and get a retail price of $85k, private party of $81k (which gives the benefit of the doubt and credits the car $2000 for being in outstanding condition.) Original MSRP was $102k, which is lightly optioned for a C4S with a tip (no sports chrono, full leather, etc) The car is a 2007, but has been in service since Oct. 2006, so the warranty has 2.5 years remaining. Here's the thing, I have to have a tip, because I'm 6'7" and I don't like how my left leg brushes the bottom of the steering wheel when I'm shifting. Remarkably, I fit well in the car and find the tiptronic very easy and more comfortable for me to drive. I also like the C4 because I'm not going to be taking the car to a track and I find the awd, again, is just easier to drive. I pretty much figure that with the double whammy of a C4 in a tiptronic, I need the S to make up for the loss in power. So I know my IDEAL car is a C4S with a tip. What does everyone think that this guy's car is worth? It is a good configuration for me, but for that price, it seems like I can order a brand new one without the navigation, chrome wheels, or bose system and get the color I want, 1.5 years additional warranty, and my own break-in period, for what sounds like about 5K more (if $85k is a fair price for his car) Anyone care to sound off on this? I'm also very interested in hearing from anyone who has a 997 with a tip (any configuration) that they are thinking of selling. Thanks, -John
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Replying to: jdsci (Apr 04, 2008 9:20 am) |
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