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#1799 of 2048
Re: New or Used Porsche??? Lease or Own? Tips for Buying? [habitat1] by madmanmoo
Mar 19, 2008 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 19, 2008 7:44 am)

Ok, things calmed down around here and I have a chance to post again. You guys are right. I was mistaken on the original price. It was $91,660. (Leeeetle bit off there. )
 
I understand where your pricing mentality comes into play. I think I'm more thinking along the lines of how much our friend is looking to spend. I think the deal on the 2007 is good, but he's still about 15k over what he was wanting to spend. It's all about what options are important to him as well.
 
Regardless, if he wants the extra help, I can certainly work towards that.
 
As far as the Tiptronic question goes: We sell a fair amount of them, but my personal opinion would be to go with the manual. I've always enjoyed the feel of the manual much more than the Tip.
 
it's damn near impossible to get a consistent fair market value for a used 911.
 
Well, it's tough to get preowned 911's on the lot. We don't put anything on the lot that has had previous paintwork, so that narrows our vehicles down very quickly. Then you need to find the vehicles that you can certify as well. That narrows the market even more.
 
These are all fun decisions though. Which vehicle to go with? Porsches have never been and won't ever be a "need" vehicle. This makes it easier to enjoy the process of finding the perfect vehicle.
 
-moo
#1800 of 2048
Re: New or Used Porsche??? Lease or Own? Tips for Buying? [habitat1] by madmanmoo
Mar 19, 2008 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 19, 2008 4:21 am)

It does NOT cover everything, excluding things like electronics, nav systems, "cosmetic" items, etc.
 
The warranty does not cover:
 
Batteries damaged from storage.
Batteries damaged frmo lack of use.
Tires damaged by road hazard.
Tires damaged by premature wear.
Parts that fail due to lack of maintenance.
Normal wear and tear.
Cleaning and polishing.
Lubricants.
Air conditioner refrigerant charge.
Glass breakage.
Vehicles with branded titles (manufacturer repurchase/repair, flood damage, totaled - both structural and constructive - salvaged, VIN altered or removed, non-North America VIN
Unauthorized modifications.
Wheel balancing and tires.
 
The electrical system is covered. The central information screen is covered as well. For the amount of protection that you get from the Porsche certification, it's a no brainer to go with it. The cost on it is $1,549. Check out how much the cost would be for an extended warranty through a 3rd party and find out what kind of parts they would be using for the repairs.
 
The Porsche certification is a no brainer.
 
-moo
#1801 of 2048
My Porsche with options by gtmaguire
Mar 19, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Thanks Habitat for some excellent advice. So I used Edmunds and priced my car with options. This set up would make me very happy. I am going the triptronic route, it gives my wife the ability to drive the car. Any must have options that I excluded? What should I expect to pay? Can I get close to my 85k price point? Moo I am a bit far from you in georgia.
 
2008 Porsche 911
Carrera 2dr Convertible (3.6L 6cyl 6M)
  
Optional Equipment
   $11,335 $9,638
   249 5-Speed Tiptronic S Transmission
$3,420 $2,907
   475 Porsche Active Suspension Management System
$1,990 $1,692
   403 19" Carrera S Wheel
$1,550 $1,318
   680 Bose High End Sound Package
$1,390 $1,182
   P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package
$1,090 $927
   E9 Midnight Blue Metallic
$690 $587
   635 Parking Assist System
$530 $451
   342 Heated Front Seats
 $500 $425
   CUL Windstop w/Colored "Porsche" Logo
$175 $149
   V9 Cabriolet Top In Black
$0 $0
    
  Destination Charge
$860 $860
Total with Options
msrp invoice
$95,995 $83,690
 
And an I-pod integration kit.
#1802 of 2048
Re: My Porsche with options [gtmaguire] by madmanmoo
Mar 19, 2008 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 19, 2008 3:16 pm)

Drop the PASM. That's a good way to get closer to that 85k target. I don't know your driving habits, but I doubt you'll probably use that much after you get it.
 
Of course, you'll have to add taxes, etc onto the price, so you'll probably be a little over $90k on the build after it is done. I would say pay a little extra to get exactly what you want. You''ll be happy you did.
 
Looks good though!
 
-moo
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Re: My Porsche with options [madmanmoo] by fedlawman
Mar 19, 2008 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Mar 19, 2008 4:12 pm)

Personally, I'd keep the PASM and drop the 19" wheels, HID's, Bose, and Park Assist.
 
There, you just knocked $4,500 off the purchase price on stuff that adds nothing to the value, performance, or enjoyment of the car.
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Re: My Porsche with options [fedlawman] by gtmaguire
Mar 19, 2008 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Mar 19, 2008 4:37 pm)

Fed,
 
Why get rid of the wheels? I truly did not take a good look at the 19's anyway. Is the look that much different? As for the sound system, is the base system good enough, I like my music loud! What option was the HID? The park assist honestly has to do with my fear of my wife driving the car and backing it up!!! Don't really trust her.
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Re: My Porsche with options [gtmaguire] by fedlawman
Mar 19, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 19, 2008 4:48 pm)

1. Larger wheels add unsprung weight (negatively affects acceleration, handling, and braking) and make for a harsher ride and higher risk of damage (lower sidewall profile on the tires). Seriously, leave the dubs for the gold chain wearing crowd.
 
2. As for the stereo, I haven't heard the Bose, but I've heard it's not worth the upgrade - and Porsche is not known for their quality hi-fi systems. Besides, you're buying a convertible sports car - how good can any music possibly sound with 70+ dB of wind, road, and engine roaring into your head? That should be music enough.
 
3. HID - high intensity discharge headlights. I had an Acura with them and didn't "see" any big improvement. All my current cars have halogens and they work just fine.
 
4. Park assist - why on earth would you EVER let your wife drive?!?!
 
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Re: My Porsche with options [gtmaguire] by nyccarguy
Mar 19, 2008 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 19, 2008 3:16 pm)

You could also save some coin by going with the 6-speed manual transmission over the tiptronic slushbox.
 
The wife excuse is just as bad as the traffic excuse for not getting a manual transmission in an amazing car like a 911. Please give it a lot of thought before you place your order.
 
You mentioned something a few days ago about Porsche reliability. I read somewhere (maybe Porsche's website ) that 75% of all Porsches ever produced are still on the road today. If you check autotrader, you'll see plenty of high mileage 911s for sale that were driven and not worn or garage queens.
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Re: My Porsche with options [gtmaguire] by habitat1
Mar 20, 2008 (2:37 am)
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 19, 2008 3:16 pm)

My first suggestion, before you spend any more time contemplating options, is to test drive a tiptronic 911 vs. a 6-speed. It's an entirely different experience and I, for one, would rather have a Boxster in a stick than a 911 in a tiptronic. The tiptronic is not only significantly slower off the line (it's not the same unit as is in the Turbo with it's "launch control" feature), it just doesn't give you that precise, direct control of shift points. To add insult to injury, the $3,500 tiptronic diminishes the resale value of the car down the road. No serious enthusiast will give it a second look.
 
That said it's YOUR car and if that's really what you want to keep your wife happy, that's your choice.
 
On your option choices, I'd offer three alternatives to consider:
 
(1) Minimal options for a tight budget:
 - Heated seats (if you want to go top down at under 55 degrees)
 - Power seats w/ memory (assuming your wife is going to drive much)
That's it! And you will have a car that holds its value much better than an over-optioned model, so if you want to trade up in a few years, it won't hurt you.
 
(2) Moderate options for a little more fun/comfort ; add:
 - Bi-Zenon (HID) lights & Self Dim Mirrors (if you drive much at night)
 - Sport Chrono (the "sport" button is cheap fun, with faster throttle and breaking response)
 - Bose?? (test this yourself - it is a lousy system for the $1,300 they charge, but I haven't listened to the base system)
I'd still forget the 19" wheels and PASM, especially if you go with a Tiptronic. The standard 18" wheels on the base car look perfectly fine. PASM isn't necessary for a smooth ride in the 18", but is for the 19".
 
(3) Sport Alternative (if you can get your wife to drive a stick and find $5k between your sofa cushions):
- Bag the tiptronic and save $3,500
- Go for the "S" model. It's $10k+ more, but that includes 19", PASM, Xenons and some other do-dads, along with the 355 hp 3.8 liter engine. You are really only paying about $5,500 for the upgraded engine.
- Keep Sport Chrono
- Keep heated seats.
- Be selective on any other options.
 
An easy "forget it" is the wind screen. I've never used the standard one that comes with the car. It wipes out the back seat for my daughters, golf clubs, etc. and takes up too much space in the bonnet when not in use.
 
Again, please do yourself a favor and test drive base model 911's with a stick and tiptronic before you make your decision. If you make a mistake on the other options, no big deal. But if you have an $85k+ car that you don't find exhilerating to drive, that would be a travesty.
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Re: My Porsche with options [habitat1] by gtmaguire
Mar 20, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 20, 2008 2:37 am)

Thank you very much. I took your advice to a large extent. I have discussed three models with the dealership. The base, the CS and the C4 I have minimized my options package and decided to go with the stick. I decided to skip the tiptronic. Since my wife is not driving the stick, I eliminated the power seats and limited my options package to mostly what you suggested. I have kept the Bose, because I like a good sound system. I know you don't like the weight added by AWD but I also simply like that extra width on the C4. It is also very likely that on occasion I will be driving in the rain, I felt the C4 might be best for those situations. What do you think?
 
For the base I went:
680 Bose High End Sound Package
$1,390 $1,182
   P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package
$1,090 $927
   640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
$960 $816
   342 Heated Front Seats
 $500 $425
   267 Self-Dimming Mirrors
$385 $327
 
For the S
 
I went with
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
$960 $816 $960
   E9 Midnight Blue Metallic
$690 $587 $690
   342 Heated Front Seats
$500 $425 $500
 
For the C4
 
Optional Equipment
$3,540 $3,010
   680 Bose High End Sound Package
$1,390 $1,182
   640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
$960 $816
   E9 Midnight Blue Metallic
$690 $587
   342 Heated Front Seats
$500 $425
 
 I eliminated on the C4 the lighting package

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