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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 18, 2008 4:25 pm) However, the "alternative" Moo has offered you is absurdly priced. The MSRP of brand new 2008 911 C2 Cab is $83,800. Control yourself on the options to the tune of $8,000, negotiate a discount of $7,000 +/- and bingo, you are in a brand new 2008 for under $85,000 - in your color choice, with your options, that you can break in yourself. You'd have to be nuts or worse to buy a (potentially) 1.5 year old one with 4,400 miles for nearly the same price. I'd want to save at least 15-20% going the used route over new. I am not picking on Moo. The dealership that I have my car serviced at is just as greedy, when it comes to used cars. Thanks to the internet, everybody knows the facts on new cars - MSRP, invoice, etc. Dealerships have been knocked down to making $5k-7k or less +/- on a brand new car. But on used cars, the sky is the limit, if they find a desparate seller and a buyer with more dollars than sense. That C2 that Moo is offering for $83k. My guess is that the dealer gave the owner $65k or less for it on trade. If I'm wrong, have him fax you the signed paperwork. Lastly, if you do go the used route, consider dealers as well as private sales, but don't get duped into thinking a Porsche certified extended warranty is your only protection.. It does NOT cover everything, excluding things like electronics, nav systems, "cosmetic" items, etc. I learned this speaking with Porsche NA customer service, when I inquired about getting an extended warranty on my car. He indicated that the extended warranties offered through some of the private carriers are more inclusive than Porsche's. The Porsche warranty is effectively the company's way of supporting the dealers trying to sell used cars for top dollar. Good luck, and don't let emotions get in the way of financial prudence.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 19, 2008 3:32 am) I don't feel uncomfortable about asking for profit at all. That's kind of my job. We have to find the right vehicle for our friend first though. Let's work on that. -moo
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Mar 19, 2008 6:23 am) |
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Mar 19, 2008 6:23 am) If that's the case, they need to open a new asylum in Atlanta. $30,000 worth of options on a base C2 Cab wouldn't just be crazy, I think it's damn near impossible. The highest price I saw for a C2S cab when I was shopping was $109k and that was with a custom to order color and full custom color leather interior. Anything over the basic $8k or so worth of options is heading towards a complete waste of money, new, used or repossessed. As for you asking for a profit, I agree - you shouldn't feel guilty about that in the least. I'm certainly a believer in free marekt capitalism. I was just pointing out to our "friend" that he needs to be extra prudent in assessing a used car deal. A new C2 or C2S cab is the same whether you buy it in Atlanta, DC or Timbukto. But every used car is a little different in mileage, condition, etc. And from what I can tell, some dealers try to make up for their diminished bargaining power on a new car by overly aggressive pricing on a used car. If one Porsche dealer is charging $3k, $5k or $7k more for the identical new car than another dealer, it's easy to figure that out quickly, as I did in 2005. But, as best I can tell, it's damn near impossible to get a consistent fair market value for a used 911. Edmunds, KBB and others don't even list half of the options on my car. It's a throwback to the, "Come on in and we'll talk about price" days before the internet.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 19, 2008 7:44 am)  ) I understand where your pricing mentality comes into play. I think I'm more thinking along the lines of how much our friend is looking to spend. I think the deal on the 2007 is good, but he's still about 15k over what he was wanting to spend. It's all about what options are important to him as well. Regardless, if he wants the extra help, I can certainly work towards that. As far as the Tiptronic question goes: We sell a fair amount of them, but my personal opinion would be to go with the manual. I've always enjoyed the feel of the manual much more than the Tip. it's damn near impossible to get a consistent fair market value for a used 911. Well, it's tough to get preowned 911's on the lot. We don't put anything on the lot that has had previous paintwork, so that narrows our vehicles down very quickly. Then you need to find the vehicles that you can certify as well. That narrows the market even more. These are all fun decisions though. Which vehicle to go with? Porsches have never been and won't ever be a "need" vehicle. This makes it easier to enjoy the process of finding the perfect vehicle. -moo |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 19, 2008 4:21 am) The warranty does not cover: Batteries damaged from storage. Batteries damaged frmo lack of use. Tires damaged by road hazard. Tires damaged by premature wear. Parts that fail due to lack of maintenance. Normal wear and tear. Cleaning and polishing. Lubricants. Air conditioner refrigerant charge. Glass breakage. Vehicles with branded titles (manufacturer repurchase/repair, flood damage, totaled - both structural and constructive - salvaged, VIN altered or removed, non-North America VIN Unauthorized modifications. Wheel balancing and tires. The electrical system is covered. The central information screen is covered as well. For the amount of protection that you get from the Porsche certification, it's a no brainer to go with it. The cost on it is $1,549. Check out how much the cost would be for an extended warranty through a 3rd party and find out what kind of parts they would be using for the repairs. The Porsche certification is a no brainer. -moo |
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Thanks Habitat for some excellent advice. So I used Edmunds and priced my car with options. This set up would make me very happy. I am going the triptronic route, it gives my wife the ability to drive the car. Any must have options that I excluded? What should I expect to pay? Can I get close to my 85k price point? Moo I am a bit far from you in georgia. 2008 Porsche 911 Carrera 2dr Convertible (3.6L 6cyl 6M) Optional Equipment $11,335 $9,638 249 5-Speed Tiptronic S Transmission $3,420 $2,907 475 Porsche Active Suspension Management System $1,990 $1,692 403 19" Carrera S Wheel $1,550 $1,318 680 Bose High End Sound Package $1,390 $1,182 P74 Bi-Xenon Headlamp Package $1,090 $927 E9 Midnight Blue Metallic $690 $587 635 Parking Assist System $530 $451 342 Heated Front Seats $500 $425 CUL Windstop w/Colored "Porsche" Logo $175 $149 V9 Cabriolet Top In Black $0 $0 Destination Charge $860 $860 Total with Options msrp invoice $95,995 $83,690 And an I-pod integration kit.
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Replying to: gtmaguire (Mar 19, 2008 3:16 pm) Of course, you'll have to add taxes, etc onto the price, so you'll probably be a little over $90k on the build after it is done. I would say pay a little extra to get exactly what you want. You''ll be happy you did. Looks good though! -moo
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Mar 19, 2008 4:12 pm) There, you just knocked $4,500 off the purchase price on stuff that adds nothing to the value, performance, or enjoyment of the car.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Mar 19, 2008 4:37 pm) Why get rid of the wheels? I truly did not take a good look at the 19's anyway. Is the look that much different? As for the sound system, is the base system good enough, I like my music loud! What option was the HID? The park assist honestly has to do with my fear of my wife driving the car and backing it up!!! Don't really trust her.
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