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#1493 of 2170 Price for 2004 911 Carerra Anniversary Edition
Apr 10, 2007 (8:46 am)
Help. I am looking at my first porsche and can only afford about $60K. I am considering a 2004 911 Carerra Anniversary Edition with 14,000 miles and I can get it for $60K out the door and it is certified pre-owned. I believe this gives me another 3 years of warranty and up to 100,000 miles (likely the 3 years will pass first). Is this a fair deal. From a reliability standpoint, should I be concerned about buying a 2004. FYI I test drove an 06 Cayman S and although it was fun to drive, I felt claustraphobic (I am 6'2" and weigh 220 lbs.
Any help is appreciated.
#1494 of 2170 Re: How much room to negotiate do the dealers have on pre-owned inventory? [dagsmcd]
Apr 10, 2007 (8:59 am)
That price sounds a little high, assuming the original MSRP was probably around $90-92k? You should be able to get a brand new 911 C2S for around 7-9% off, so anything less than 20% off for a 1.5 year old one w/15k miles would not seem worth it to me.
On the tires, I would still inspect for tire tread life left. My rear tires went from "fine" at 10,800 miles to "replace ASAP" at 12,500 miles. Between tires, mounting and balancing I spent $1,025 for the pair. And that was a better deal than Tire Rack.
Good luck whatever you decide.
#1496 of 2170 Re: Price for 2004 911 Carerra Anniversary Edition [thesnausage]
Apr 10, 2007 (9:38 am)
I think $60K is a steal at that mileage. Check Kelly bluebook, you'll find that the extras included in the anniversary model are worth $6k alone, and 25 more HP puts it just below the "S".
#1497 of 2170 Re: How much room to negotiate do the dealers have on pre-owned inventory? [dagsmcd]
Apr 10, 2007 (10:40 am)
Your CPO Warranty on this C2S will run for 6 years or up to 100,000 miles from the original "In Service" date. Will have a "Brake Flush", Oil Service and Tires if needed...4MM tread depth is the minimum...
I would also be careful about accepting 20-25% discounts or 7-9% either at face value...All depends upon the the Market, the car, and the Dealer...and all differ from coast to coast. Only 162 new C2S sold in March in the US...Allocations remain tight...
#1498 of 2170 40th Anniversary Car
Apr 10, 2007 (1:21 pm)
i'd jump on that 40th Anniv car. Even though it's a CPO, go ahead and pay another dealer or independent shop $250-300 for a thorough PPI. There may be a reason why it's priced so aggressively.
Don't think because it's a CPO, you've got nothing to worry about. THere are things it does not cover. And also, if you're paying $60K for a car, you don't want it to be in & out of the shop monthly even if the issues are covered under warranty
#1499 of 2170 Re: How much room to negotiate do the dealers have on pre-owned inventory? [vwguild1]
Apr 10, 2007 (1:36 pm)
"I would also be careful about accepting 20-25% discounts or 7-9% either at face value...All depends upon the the Market, the car, and the Dealer...and all differ from coast to coast. Only 162 new C2S sold in March in the US...Allocations remain tight..."
Spoken like a true salesman.
My recommendation to anyone hearing the pitch that "allocations remain tight" is to check out inventories on the Porsche website of dealers in their area and even out of state. You may be surprised to see not only many C2S's sitting on dealer lots - included some leftover 2006's - but also more than a few unsold 2007 911 Turbos.
The four (4) DC area dealers all told me in July-September 2005 that the C2S Cab I was interested in was a hot car and "allocations remained tight", as an excuse to make me feel like a $2,000 discount was a big favor. A Pittsburgh dealer immediately offered to discount a new, made to order car by $5,000 or anything in their inventory by $7,000. I was prepared to go that route until a Baltimore dealer agreed to a $10k+ discount (10%) on a brand new 2005 C2S Cab they had in stock. Both the Pittsburgh dealer and Baltimore dealer have shipped several cars to the Arizona and California where dealers apparantly think their customers are to lazy or dumb to surf the internet.
And, for the record, not only do I get excellent service at the one local DC dealer I take my car in for service at - the new sales manager has personally assured me he would not let my business slip away the next time.
There are no "tight allocations" on any 911, save for the GT3. Take what a sales person says with a large dose of salt.
#1500 of 2170 Re: How much room to negotiate do the dealers have on pre-owned inventory? [habitat1]
Apr 10, 2007 (3:53 pm)
Thank you for reinforcing my point...Different markets, different cars, different dealers...
Time of year is important here as well...July we are already ordering for the next model year, and into September
the snow is right around the corner; so your timing was excellent. And for reasons that I will never know...some of the prettiest cars cannot find a home and sit for months. We had this experience with a beautiful Atlas Grey C2S Cab with Full Grey leather...sat here for close to 10 months...Finally someone said, "Perfect combo for me".
In 2006 PCNA built and sold 12,045 911s, all flavors including 15 Carrera GTS. Divide that by 196 Dealers in the US...not a lot to go around...Some get more; others get less.
And the same can be said for the RS, only worse. some got 3-4, some got 1-2, others got none...
You are also correct about 997 Turbos...The bigger Dealers that received larger allocations probably refused to complete an order list hoping for a few folks that might be a bit spontaneous and sell them for a bit more than MSRP. That's the gamble that some will take...On the other hand, to spend over $125,000.00 for a car that someone else ordered would not work unless it was a perfect fit for me...
Apr 10, 2007 (6:06 pm)
We took our annual trip to the NY auto show on Sunday morning. Every year Porsche has more and more cars open. This year there were more cars open then not. I had the pleasure of sitting in a 911 C2S Coupe. If there weren't dozens of State Troopers and a flight of steps, I would have driven that car right out of there! What a beautiful car! All you people who get to drive these magnificent machines should be very happy and proud of yourselves. I'm definitely going to own a 911 one day (a day far, far away).
#1502 of 2170 Re: NY Auto Show [nyccarguy]
Apr 11, 2007 (10:03 am)
Dress up, drive your nicest car to a dealer. Act sincere about planning to buy, the salesmen are bored to death standing around. They will let you drive them not just sit.