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Porsche 911, Porsche Carrera GT, Coupe, Convertible
#1374 of 2175 Re: New SUV [chrmdome]
Feb 17, 2007 (6:17 am)
Perhaps you are right that the 996 headlights were part of a larger cost cutting strategy, but I think it's equally likely that the new Cayenne is just a (unfortunate) styling decision. And, by the way, while I would agree that the 997 interior is more attractive than the 996, I believe the 996 was considered a step up from the 993 and it's predecessors. That doesn't stop some purists from still claiming the 993 had the most "soul" of any 911 model. For them it's almost as though an attractive, comfortable interior is an anathema to a real sports car. As was the decision to go to water cooling.
For whatever reason, headlight styling has always been a bit of a wacky world of "if it's not broken, let's fix/change it anyway". Mercedes went from round to square back to round. Every sports car manufacturer, Porsche and Ferrari included, dabbled with flip up headlights in the 1980's and early 1990's. I guess I'm glad that I couldn't afford a 911 until the headlight style happened to coincide with my tastes.
As far as the 997, Cayman and even Boxster interiors looking similar, that's not "sad" by me. It certainly doesn't diminish my ego as a 911 owner to hop into a Cayman and feel at home. Almost the opposite. I bought the 911 because of the car's engineering, performance and functional attributes. I wouldn't have wanted to feel like I was being subliminally prodded towards it, just to get a Porsche-worthy interior.
I'll now let this issue go and return to praying to the weather gods that the forecast of 45+ degree weather by early next week comes true.
#1375 of 2175 Re: New SUV [habitat1]
Feb 17, 2007 (8:53 am)
Full agreement. For me, the most pleasing Porsche ever made is the 993. Just absolutely beautiful. The correct size , just perfect, classic interior. My wife dosen't know it yet, but a quality used 993 is my next purchase. We have 5 vehicles in the driveway now and she's not really happy about that, or the prospect of a 6th. Oh well boys will be boys with thier toys. Concerning interiors and part sharing. Some of the Porsche writes share my feelings about part sharing. If I purchased a $140K 997 Turbo the least I would deserve is a unique interior. You get a semi-unique interior. The design issue is probably the best present day example of " build it and they will come" . The design and material change from the 996 to the 997 has made Porsche the #1 car company on the planet. Flush pockets! Have a great day and hope the weather improves for you. Later
Feb 17, 2007 (7:58 pm)
Chrome, keep in mind that your VW bug didn't have an oil filter so you saw more shavings than normal.
Speaking of break-in recommendations, everyone in the industry seems to agree that you shouldn't use synthetic during the initial break-in because it is too slippery and the mating surfaces don't have a chance to wear-in together. They also agree that the very first oil change should come early on. Yet, Porsche sends the car out with synthetic and the first oil change isn't due for 10K on some models and 20K on other vehicles/engines. Finally, why the continued use of a cartridge style oil filter that was last used maybe 45 years ago by other manufacturers? Maybe the cartridge style won't blow off the engine as a spin-on will on a cold morning?? This is puzzling to me.
#1377 of 2175 Re: New SUV [blckislandguy]
Feb 17, 2007 (8:35 pm)
"everyone in the industry seems to agree that you shouldn't use synthetic during the initial break-in because it is too slippery and the mating surfaces don't have a chance to wear-in together."
Who the heck is that "everyone in the industry"? As far as I know, EVERY serious performance car I know comes from the factory with Mobil One. All BMW "M" cars, all AMG cars, all Porsches, all Ferraris, even the Honda S2000. Maybe those "everyone's" are flunkies from GM who have lax engine tolerances that are measure in inches, but for tight tolerance, high performance engines capable of 7,000-9,000+ rpm, the "slippery" Mobil One is perfect.
I did have my oil changed at 1 year and 10,000 miles, half of what the first service requirement was, but had a Porsche factory technician assure me that it wasn't necessary, given the 9.3+ quart capacity.
#1378 of 2175 Re: New SUV [habitat1]
Feb 17, 2007 (9:15 pm)
I've had the great pleasure of going on my yearly long range ocean fishing trip ( tuna: bluefin, yellowfin, albacore, wahoo, yellowtail, etc ) out of Fishermans Landing here in San Diego, with one of head engineers who is responsible for developing Mobil 1. He has deep trust in the product. Habitat1 has it correct. The tolerances on certain engines will not allow Mobil 1 not ( double negative but you get the point ) to leak past the ring surfaces to such a degree that oil consumption skyrockets. The engine will actually leak oil where it did not with the nonsynthetic product. Obviously he (the engineer ) is biased, but he swears by the product. The only question that I would offer is this. If the surfaces do not mate properly during break-in with Mobil 1 , why then has my oil consumption on my 2006 997s dropped dramatically after the 2000 mile break in period? It's pretty much standard knowledge that oil consumption drops dramatically at this point..Logically then the surfaces, rings etc do mate properly. The one point I may add for those who are presently in this break in period is to do the following. During break-in, when you downshift, allow the car to slow as you come to a stop while in gear. I have been told that the negative chamber pressure caused by this process allows the rings to seat more properly. By the way, the only " filter " I had on my 65 VW was a screen. Some guys used those toilet paper filters and swear by them saying that they extended oil life tremendously..Wish I had Mobil 1 in the VW, it would probably still be alive
Feb 18, 2007 (4:20 am)
Reading a recent post, I saw the VW mentioned. Do VW owners naturally become Porsche owners? I wonder how many people reading this forum actually owned a VW early on. Perhaps you even tried modifying it.
#1380 of 2175 purchasing a 05 cabriolet- would like some advice
Feb 18, 2007 (7:38 am)
Good morning, I am in the final negotiating stages of buying this car. This will be my first Porsche so I am in the quick learning stage. It has Tiptronic, Bose, Xeons, Nav, Sport Chrono,19 inch wheels and power heated seats. The car has 17,600 and approximately 27 months left on warranty. There is not a Porsche dealer where I live in west TX. Dallas, where the car is, is about 325 miles away. I am concerned about service and warranty work because of the distance involved. The starting price is $69,900. My questions are is there anything specific that I should be looking for in this car regarding problem areas or maintenance issues. The dealer stated that if the car had a major issue where it was undriveable that Porsche road side would pick up the car and take it to them in Dallas. Thanks in advance.
#1381 of 2175 Re: Why Porsche [hotrod81]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 18, 2007 (8:54 am)
The only think I learned from taking apart VW engines and Porsche engines is that they have nothing to do with each other except a vague similarity in concept. Mickey Mouse vs. Michaelangelo if you will.
Feb 18, 2007 (9:30 am)
Habitat1, while I agree that "every serious performance car...comes with Mobil1" that wasn't under discussion. Rather, I mentioned that during the break-in period the mating surfaces need to get acquainted and wear in together. A full synthetic is too slippery to allow for this. Source? The Automotive Engine Rebuilders Asscociation
Like you, I did the first oil change in my Porsche at 10K, well before the factory recommendation. Not withstanding a technicians off hand comment about the superiority of a 9.3 litre oil capacity, the original oil, synthetic or dino, in a new engine still contains metal chips from the machining operations, still gets dirty and, especially here in the Northeast, dilluted during winter by cold running. The only way to tell the quality of the oil is by spectrographic analysis ("oil sampling"), something which the owners of expensive diesel powered equipment do on a regular basis.
Incidentally, I think it would be a great idea if Porsche offerred free oil sampling with every $300 oil change. This would cost them about $10 in lab fees and further bind the customer to the dealer, a goal of all successful businesses. (While a happy customer is good, a loyal customer, e.g., the people who like it or not think they have to buy certain products, is better.)
#1383 of 2175 Re: New SUV [blckislandguy]
Feb 18, 2007 (9:44 am)
Actually a great idea, oil analysis. Google " oil analysis " and any one of several companies that come up will test your sample. The only problem is: once you get the results, ussually a factor of metal salts and base metals. What do the results mean. Obviously Porsche would have the answer, however are they going to devuldge those answers to you....Other than a VW that I owned when I was car stupid, not vehicle that I have owned since I was 16 has had an oil related problem, This included 4 Porsches. I have been absolutely religious about oil changes , however, and have always exceeded OEM recommendations, even if the oil looked relatively clean. It's like blood, if its old or low your dead