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Replying to: dutchbuyer (Dec 17, 2006 12:05 pm) I have a friend who turned in his 2001 Turbo off lease several months ago and bought a new 2006 C2S as a replacement. His Turbo had been modified to produce 520+ horsepower and ft. Lbs. to the wheels, meaning that, in reality, it was faster than a Carrera GT. He had clocked 0-60 in 3.35 seconds and 11.0 for the 1/4 mile at a track event. But in 5 years, he had only put 11,000 miles on the car, barely 2,000 per year. Many of those miles were on highway runs to Porsche events in nearby states. The car got very little "daily" use, other than when he wanted to show it off. His C2S, while not as blisteringly fast as the old Turbo, is more refined and a much better daily driver. He has logged nearly 4,000 miles in under 6 months, about 4 times the rate of use as his old Turbo. PASM, standard on the 997 "S" allows one to toggle between a track ready "sport" suspension and a "normal" setting that makes local streets a lot easier to manage. I briefly considered a deal on a leftover 2005 Turbo Cab when I bought my C2S Cab last year. But frankly, I just liked the looks of the 997 much better than the 996, interior and exterior wise. And the 996 Turbo's additional power was something that I haven't missed in the 11,700 miles since. The C2S is plenty quick for my needs. If you are looking for a quasi "track" car, the 996 Turbo (or 997 GT3) would be a good choice. But as a daily driver, I'd take a 997 C2S over the 996 Turbo. Or, if you want to have your cake and eat it too, find another $15k and go for a $135k 997 Turbo.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 18, 2006 7:51 am) You raise a very good point looking at driving "comfort" versus speed. I guess what I am hearing that redoing the turbo in 2005 and even with the S version this did not change much of that. Regarding resell value: the dealer was telling me he would always take i.e. a 2004 turbo versus 2006 or 2007 C4S C2S looking at it retaining it's value better if I would want to sell it in let's say 3 yrs. How do you see this or is the dealer trying to "sell me inventory"?? Thanks
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Replying to: dutchbuyer (Dec 18, 2006 6:27 pm) 1. His scenario compares a one-owner late model (though older body style) turbo vs. a new C2/4S . . . 2. Your actual scenario represents becoming the 2nd owner of a late model turbo . . . To my mind, the more owners, the more of a discount . . . However, when it comes to returns, it's all about what the price of the turbo is vs. the new 997 . . . that's where the rubber meets the road (sorry for the pun). That being said, don't buy for the returns . . . if you're concerned about your returns, don't buy a Porsche. Best of luck. |
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Replying to: dutchbuyer (Dec 18, 2006 6:27 pm) You should be able to get 7-9%+/- off on a new 997 C2S or C4S. As far as what a used 996 Turbo should sell for, I really have no idea. It seems that prices on used Turbos can vary significantly, and some dealers will try to mark the cars up much more than new cars. My friend's 2001 w/ 11k miles had a lease end residual of around $73,000 when he turned it in. The dealer added a Porsche extended warranty and put it on their showroom floor at $89,500.  |
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Replying to: dutchbuyer (Dec 17, 2006 12:05 pm)
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Replying to: eewatch (Dec 17, 2006 7:22 pm) |
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Replying to: spechtbach (Dec 20, 2006 8:56 am) Today I did drive 3 different cars right after one another. I think I made the sales guy kind of scared since I drove "Europe style" and really was pushing it. Turbo drove the sportiest (naturally) stiff and fast however.....I must say the C4S was also sporty with the Sports Chrono Package. You guys are right....you want the Sports Chrono!! C4S was also smoother shifting with clutch so....I really like the Cab. I was now still wondering C4s or C2S. From a safety perspective was leaning towards C4S. I want to buy next week either a 2006 or 2007 (in Atlanta). Dealer has a Black C4S 2006 (manual) for MSRP $110,260 with Power & heated seats, sports chrono, 19 " classic, wheelcaps, Bose, supple leather, Carbon center console, creste mats. What do you guys think? Thanks for all the advice up to now really helps folks!!
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Replying to: dutchbuyer (Dec 20, 2006 6:52 pm) Bottom line for me was that (a) the "2" is lighter, quicker and a bit easier on gas mileage than the "4", (b) the "4" looks a little more aggressive with the wider rear track (but you have to look closely), (c) the "4" would be better handling in inclement weather, but not on dry pavement (I don't play Mario in the rain) (d) the additional cost of the "4" was not insignificant ($6,000, as I recall). I opted to order a 2006 C2S Cab in Speed Yellow, but then decided to keep my Seal Grey one after all. No hard feelings from the dealer, they were able to sell it at a higher price than I had negotiated. Be aware that the difference in quickness between the "2" and the "4" appears to be greater than Porsche's published figures. My dealer let me drive a broken in C4S back to back with my C2S and a C2. The C4S and C2 were neck and neck, with the C2S a definite notch up from both. My dealer (former factory engineer) explains that the "4", in addition to the added weight, does have lower drive train efficiency, the combination of which eat up most of the 30hp difference between a base 911 and "S" model. You might not find that difference in quickness important. But for me, coming directly out of a C2S, I wouldn't have wanted to pay more for a "trade-up" that wasn't as quick or responsive as the one I already had. That said, none of these are slow cars and you should get the one you like. I'd shoot for under $100k on the 2006 C4S if that's the car you really want. Unless you happen to really like them, supple leather and carbon trim are aesthetic options that appear to have little, if any resale value (compared to power seats, bose, sports chrono, nav). Good luck. |
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We just fired up a new Prices Paid discussion for the Boxster.. We have a member asking questions about ordering a new one, and about pricing.. I know you were considering a Boxster S.. maybe you could give him some insights? (or anyone else here..) Porsche Boxster: Prices Paid & Buying Experience #2 Thanks! kyfdx |
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Hi folks! I'm an avid 914 restoration person who finally decided to buy the best car Porsche makes as of 2007. I purchased the 997 Turbo, fully customized on Porsche's web site after searching long and hard for a dealership who had an open allocation still. I opted for the Sport/Chron package, the Sport shift package and the sport seats, all in black leather. The dealer threw in the CD Changer for free as I paid cash for the car. I had her painted Metallic Midnight blue. total invoice cost was $127K and change. I waited 8 months from the point where I made my deposit until delivery in late october. My initial impressions after putting just a little over 2200 miles on her before snow started to fall are thus; I am VERY impressed with the car. Her performance is astonishing. She is extremely comfortable to drive at high speeds and corners like nothing I have ever driven with the AWD system and 4 feet of rubber on the road. The response time on the twin VTG turbines is immediate. Though she only pushes 480 HP, she is certainly much quicker from a dead start to 100 MPH than any car I have driven to date. though there are few roads in this god awful state where you can actually engage and enjoy the Sport mode, I did manage to have some incredible fun with her on the "Kancamangus" highway, a 33 mile stretch which bisects the whte mountains in NH. I clocked the 33 miles of hairpin corners and curvaceous mountain dropoffs in just a little under 18 minutes (I was cautious, being the first time on that road in a few years and not knowing the road conditions/traffic/pedestrians, etc.) Overall, I highly recommend the car if it can still be purchased and I cant imagine what they will improve upon in 2008. I have heard a rumor that there is a software upgrade, larger turbines and new exhaust with which I can extract 606 HP from this beautifully engineered motor. Is there any truth to this? Merry christmas to all and have a safe new years! Look for me on the road in the coming spring! Trace "> |
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