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I totally agree with you. Most of us will not have the time or the financial capacity to participate in intensive driving schools- which does not necessarily mean we are "wasting" a great vehicle like a 997 GT3. I'm also considering a GT3 in '07, especially considering that a well-equipped C2S will cost $90k, and a new GT3 about $20K more, which I think is completely justified, especially when you consider that the X51 pack costs almost as much. However, I wish that the rear wing could be "deleted"- I wonder how much Porsche would charge for that!
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Spirit, First of all, if you are planning on keeping the car 10 years and driving the wheels off of it, I would get what you want and stop worrying about resale. At least don't make it a BIG CONSIDERATION. You'll be lucky to get 30% of your purchase price back on a 10 year old high mileage Turbo. >> I agree but if we do sell or we eventually give the car to our daughter, I would not want the interior to be too odd-looking. My opinion of some of the options you are considering: - Wood looks great in a SL 600. It's a luxury car, NOT a sports car. Wood wouldn't look good in a Ferrari 430. In my opinion, it looks out of place in the 911, especially the Turbo. Okay. - Try to find examples in used cars of the two tone colors you are considering. Pictures can be deceiving. You can't really go wrong with full black leather interior, but you can end up with a funky look on some of the two tone and heavy aluminum/carbon accents. Good idea. - I take it the Tiptronic is a no brainer because of your wife?>> Yes and she is stubborn. Believe me, she will NEVER learn how to drive a stick shift. This car is supposed to be a late Xmas present, so a stick is OUT. I will wait for the new tranny, however, if it is coming out in less than a year. Otherwise I'll take my chances with the tip. I posted previously that a new Turbo owner contacted me to see if I would do a swap after getting the Tiptronic on account of his wife and then disliking it. If you are going to keep the car for 10 years and are concerned about resale, you might want to ask your dealer when the DSG will be available. It's not a big deal if you like the Tiptronic, but I'd hate to have ordered a Tip only to find out I could have waited a couple of months for the DSG. I had heard the DSG would be available on Turbos by early spring, but not sure if that was a reliable source. I have heard estimates as high as two years. I won't wait that long as I am no spring chicken anymore. When I was in my late 20s I owned little metallic blue 914. I LOVED that car. It was my little go cart! Unfortunately, they had a propensity to develop gas leaks and burn and thus I lost my true love. I was all bummed out until I found out that I was getting a check for $8900 (replacement value). I had only paid $5700 a couple of years earlier.
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Replying to: hfang (Oct 29, 2006 6:49 am) You would spend $90K+ on a sports car, but you can't spare one day and $180 for a PCA HPDE a few times each year?!?! IMHO, if you buy a GT3 and don't intent to track it - at least recreationally a few times per year - you're wasting your hard-earned money and a world-class sports car. You'll never see a road where you can discern the differences between a GT3 and C2, and (more importantly) you'll never attain the driving skill to exploit those differences. Now, if you want a GT3 simply because it's rare, special, nicer than your neighbors Aston Martin, you've always wanted a Porsche and only the best will do, etc., well that's fine too. Order it with every factory option, pay someone to professionally detail it, park it in your 8-car garage (you know, the one with the checkered tile floor and racing posters on the walls), and rub it with diapers once a week. Enjoy! |
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Life is short, get what you want. Having said that, try not to "gook" the inside up too much. You'll never get your investment back on loading up the car with costly Porsche accessories. Put your money in the stock market if you're looking for a return on capital. The P-car is a beautiful wonderful expensive toy, I don't care what anyone tries to make it into. And remember, money and good taste don't always travel the same road. |
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Replying to: amerikanisch (Oct 29, 2006 7:03 am) I took delivery of my 997TT in late August and was told by my dealer that his next delivery is November. What are you being given for a delivery date? The dealers here in So Cal are quoting 2 years plus for orders. Options... I also agree that the wood, in my opinion, does not suit the TT. Mine is Slate Grey with Black/Terracotta with many aluminum, and leather, trim pieces. Do you have many dealers in your area? I visited 5 in So Cal and the 911s I saw on the floor gave me an excellent experience to view the different options. I was given an order cancellation and therefore did not have any ability to select my options and therefore wanted to see what I would be receiving. As it turns out, I totally enjoy my OVER OPTIONED TT. I could have saved a bunch not ordering certain options, but oh well, I waited only 2 months for it. I thought I might not like the Tip, but I totally enjoy it! Using the Sport mode, when it senses you are driving hard, it changes its shift patterns. It will shift harder/later or softer/earlier depending how it senses you are driving. Also, EVERY article I have read that quoted race drivers, stated the race drivers preferred the Tip. Only the testers or Porsche enthusiasts preferred the manual. My experience has been... it has soooo much power that the Tip allows me (the relatively untrained driver) to handle the vehicle safely while experiencing the extremely quick acceleration runs. I have only had two sessions at the Streets of Willow, but more will come. "Bang for the Buck" I believe I am going to lose a bundle on this toy, but I have accepted that and enjoy a Porsche that looks tremendous due to the options that it came with. I like the yellow calipers, they draw a lot of attention. The DSG is supposed to be the next big thing for Porsche, but how much quicker could it make the TT go?
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Replying to: redsoxgirl (Oct 28, 2006 5:26 am) |
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Thanks for your help form all of you kind folks. With the help of a very nice lady salesperson who stepped in to help out her collegue (my salesman was not there), I pretty much picked my options for my 911 turbo. As stated earlier, I do not much care for carbon fiber. I like contrasts. I tentativly chose the GT silver metallic- a very rich color that looks like the same color as a burnished bar of silver- omly a deep, rich silver color. It is also the color used on the $450,000 GT model, It was a $2380 option. The lady suggested that I do the lighted threshold option. When you open the door, the word "turbo" lights up on the doorsills. She said this is good for the "WOW" factor. Cost: $780 Next, I chose to have the back of the center console done in matching black leather with the word "turbo" embossed on the lid. Cost: $293 The front portion of the console will be painted in GT metalic silver to match the exterior paint and contrast with the jet black seats (thus the contrast): $730 ( a real rip-off!) Another option I opted for was the multifuncyion steering wheel for hands free telephone, radio adjustment and tiptronic: $259. Next, I opted for the $250 foot rest because I thought it might be comfortable. I opted for the tiptronic tranny but I think I will hold out a while for DSM: cost $3420. Park assist may come in handy: $530 Sport Chrono Package: $1840 Module for telephone: $960 (soon only hands-free telephone will be legal in cars in Calif.). Black matts with Pirsche logo (a relative SUPER bargain) $115. Heated seats. This is sunny California but the lady said it was good for resale as a seperate heating zone thus eliminating the need to heat the entire car. She said women DEMAND heated seat: $480 Porsche embossed crest on the hradrests (why not)? $270. Base price $122,900 Options 12,307 Taxes/ Lice. 13521 Total 148,728 plus delivery out the door WOW!
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Replying to: ifpsken (Oct 29, 2006 3:06 pm) As I understand it, the Tiptronic is a manually shifted automatic transmission with a torque converter. The DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox), will employ two electronic clutches that will allow very fast shifts up and down, with no torque converter. I agree with you, I caon't see how much faster that will make the Turbo in acceleration, but supposedly the engagement action will be much faster and mechanically "direct". Can anyone explain to me what the actaul mechanical difference is between the current non-Turbo 911 Tiptronic and the Turbo Tiptronic? The non-turbo model is slower than the 6-speed (i.e. a C2 6-speed is a couple ticks quicker than the C2S Tiptronic), but the Turbo Tip is quicker. They are both listed as 5-speeds and cost the same $3,400 +/-. But I have to believe there is a difference, given the different performance results. |
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| I read that the Turbo Tiptronic downshifts much faster than the non-turbo version. | |
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The TT tip also is networked to the rest of the car, hence the car can keep the boost up during upshifts. "This is the result of the interaction of the turbochargers with their variable turbine geometry, the Porsche Traction Management, and the new Tiptronic S set-up." |
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