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#282 of 1123 Re: Question on Pricing the 2006 Mustang GT [graphicguy]
Jul 06, 2005 (10:28 pm)
Thanks Graphic....I must say, you have been the most helpful person to me thru out this whole process I've been through the last 8 months, without your insight, I'd not have known what to ask, didn't know there was such a thing as priority codes when ordering, etc....
I've had my current GT for 10 years now so haven't had to dive into the auto buying process for a long time, let alone get into such a hassle trying to buy a 2005, which will hopefully now be a 2006!
I started out in my teens & 20's owning 3 different VW bugs, went to a Trans Am, then a AWD Eagle Talon, which was a blast to drive. Then my 96 GT. I'd wanted a Mustang since high school and finally got my wish! Now I'm hooked.
I know what a hot car I've got on order, but I'm just ticked I've had to wait since November of 2004 for it. And having to get back in line all over again for a 2006 with no promise nor idea when/if I'll ever get it. Specially when some ordered in March of 2005 and already have theirs, Ford is letting a computer pick who gets what and when, instead of fulfilling orders as they are ordered.
Anyway, thanks again for your help and suggestions, I'll keep in touch and hopefully one of these days i'll be able to give you a big YIPPPPEEE!!!! IT'S HERE NOTE!! LOL.......
#283 of 1123 Re: Question on Pricing the 2006 Mustang GT [purplegt]
Jul 07, 2005 (5:54 am)
purple...as always, my pleasure and glad I could help. Unfortunately, I've heard your scenario all too often.
At this juncture, I can't tell if the ordering routine with no car in sight is a dealer problem or a plant problem.
At first glance, I'd think it's a dealer problem. Like you, I bought mine in the dead of winter when car sales in general were stagnant. That's why you and I got deals well below MSRP. Once spring hit, and it became clear to the dealers that the Mustang was a runaway success, it became clear they didn't have to discount the Mustang (GT) to sell it. Some were getting crazy money for any GT they could get their hands on.
I had heard more than a few stories of people ordering and paying under MSRP and, "poof", their order disappeared or couldn't be tracked. Same person, offering to pay MSRP, all of a sudden their car was miraculously "found" or ordered and delivered within 8 weeks (not 8 months). One person even found his X plan Mustang GT (complete with matching VIN #s) on his dealer's back lot. All the while the dealer stating the car wasn't even built yet. Fact is, the dealer had sold the ordered Mustang to someone else for MSRP. That was the entire reason it was sitting in the back lot....awaiting PDI and delivery to the person who paid more.
Is this the case in your scenario? I don't know.
Even though dealers are stand alone business entities (franshisees), separate from the factory, Ford chould have put pressure on the dealers to honor customer orders....mayve set up a "Mustang order task force" to do nothing but track customer cars.
As it stands, I can feel and understand your frustration. If my dealer hadn't been so "upfront" with me about my order, and I hadn't known about priorities, allotment, VOCs, etc, I could be in the same boat since mine was an X plan car.
Just for giggles, I think I'd take a Saturday afternoon and go to 4-5 different Ford dealers in your area and ask them what their status for '06 Mustang ordering is. See how many agree or disagree with what you're hearing from your present dealer. Even see if they agree with each other. That could give you a bit of insight on what's going on with Mustangs in your area.
BTW, I always thought those AWD Turbo Talons were hot little numbers when they were on the street.
Keep us posted.
Jul 08, 2005 (7:38 am)
Got a call from a local dealer (metro detroit area) stating that he had an 05 Black Mustang GT Premium on the lot from a order that did not go thru. So I ran right up and test drove the car. Loved it. Since it was 6:10 on a friday 7/1, he said we could finish the deal on 7/5 (tuesday) Called him and did the whole credit app thing. Sales guy called back and stated that I was approved. I stated that I wanted to call my bank for a better rate, which I did and got 5.25%. Called him right back because I needed the VIN so that they could fedex me the check. He did not return my call until the next morning 7/6. He then faxed me the purchase agreement (x plan) just $1300 under MSRP. He then called me back 15 minutes later and said that another sales manager sold the car for cash and that it was GONE!. Translation....Someone came in and offered MSRP or more for the car so we sold it! WTF!. The dealer is really nice about it but can do nothing about it. They cannot get another 05 GT, and they are willing to order me a 06 that after reading these posts I may get sometime in 06' , gee thanks. I then called customer service and what a waste off time that is. I cannot believe that even though dealership are seperate, that there is no one at Ford Motor Company that oversees the dealerships interaction. After all these are FORD cars, right? Does anyone know someone to talk to at Ford Motor Company? There has to be someone who can help. Someone who can atleast ensure that we get an 06 timely.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#286 of 1123 Re: coming late to the party.... [graphicguy]
Jul 08, 2005 (8:37 am)
Graphic writes......or most, they can't find one (expecially GTs). Once they do, they are expecting X% off MSRP, or at least some sort of rebates.
Then the wailing begins...."Ford did this on purpose (undestimating demand).....dealers are ripping me off at MSRP.....I found a car I like, but no one will deal....etc". So, if you've found a Mustang you like sitting on the lot (rare) and the dealer is sticking to MSRP, buy it. That's what the market is for this car.
Graphicguy, Ford is going to Offer their employee price discount INCLUDING the Mustang V6 and GT shortly. People should just WAIT till then to buy/order it. You will get a decent price. I know the ultra expensive 2 seater GT will be excluded from the program though!!
Graphic writes.....Or, if you really want similar performance and you don't mind derivative styling and sloppier handling, you can always buy a GTO. GM is offering those at the employee price. Still, that price is north of $30K (about the same as a Mustang convertible).
For now. Starting August 1st, GTO is ExCLUDED from GM's employee pricing program, along with Corvette and medium duty GMC Pickups !!
#288 of 1123 Re: 2005 V6 [graphicguy]
Jul 08, 2005 (8:52 am)
Graphic writes I don't know of anyone who is ever pleased with the back seat of any coupe. It's just something that you live with. Back seat room isn't a high priority with me.
I have to disagree with you on that one. The GTO coupe backseat is very impressive and just as comfortable as the front seats! The "GM" W body coupes, Monte SS and ex Grand Prix coupes were very roomy in back as well !! nearly 36" rear leg room vs only 30" in Mustang.
Graphic writes My philosophy (a selfish one), as long as I don't have to ride back there, I don't particularly care. IF it's a major concern, then any coupe isn't going to be very satisfactory.
I DISAGREE again, I have to ride in the back occasionally, mother in law gets picked up etc. After 1+ hr in backseat, very comfortable in GTO, just like front seats. A full sized adult me at 5'10 fits quite nicely back there with room to spare. Kudos to Holden on that one. Certain Mercedes Coupes are quite comfortable in back too. Of course, you don't buy a mustang for the backseat, best for kids or stereo equipment like subwoofers to sit on.
The accord Coupe is semi decent as well. Mustangs have always had useless backseats for adults anyway.
#289 of 1123 Re: 2005 V6 unrefined esp at high rpms [fsv]
Jul 08, 2005 (8:57 am)
The V6 is noisy/unrefined/coarse in the New Mustang esp if you floor it or are hard on it. It's a truck/SUV engine taken from Explorer/Ranger? At normal driving it's ok, but if you nail it, very CRUDE sounding. The 3800 in my GM cars was more refined.
You don't want the 18" wheels, go with the 17", 18" will give you a bigger/harder turning radius esp. in mall parking lots and you will feel more bumps and more chance to damage wheel.
You would have figured Ford would have been able to put the Subwoofer in the rear deck or under the seats like most cars to preserve space, esp. trunk space.
#290 of 1123 Re: Question on Pricing the 2006 Mustang GT [frisconick]
Jul 08, 2005 (9:00 am)
I think Ford did underestimate demand for GT/V8 cars.....Traditionally the V6 BASE mustang accounts for nearly 2/3 or 66% of Mustang sales. This year, the V6 is only 55% of sales. V8 is more popular.
#291 of 1123 Re: Question on Pricing the 2006 Mustang GT [graphicguy]
Jul 08, 2005 (9:13 am)
graphic writes Add to that, from all outward appearances, it looks like Ford actually priced the Mustang GT too low (how often do you see that). That will translate into higher demand also. You must can't get this level of performance, handling, features and build quality anywhere near the Mustang's price (even at MSRP)
Sorry got to disagree again. You got to check the facts Graphic
WRX easily outhandles the Mustang and comes close 0-60 for same or less $$ and offers 4 doors.
SRT-4 is $22k or less, similar perf. numbers to Mustang and similar handling, near .90 skidpad.
In dollar per horsepower GTO is same or cheaper then Stang
Even the FAMILY CAR Grand Prix/Impala now has more hp and torque then Mustang for similar price, 303hp + 325torque large/med 4 door with big trunk. 5.9 seconds and 27 EPA highway with 4 spd automatic!! Advantage of FWD for snow/rain.
There are cars that BEAT or MATCH or COME close to Stang for SIMILAR or LESS $$.