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Replying to: epnfrn (Aug 01, 2008 11:32 am) What is the net cost of the Civic gx after tax rebates. What does it cost to fill the tank and how many miles will it typically get in the city? I live in the Bay Area as well near San Jose, and was wondering where the Nat Gas stations are?
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Aug 01, 2008 2:06 pm)  as i said, my price for a brand new one in 06 was $1k under sticker (both Mel Rapton in Sac and Lodi gave this quote), so $23k+tax. then, $4k tax credit at end of year tax season. so for me, $19k. check out this google map for locations in bay area, with prices (as reported by users): http://www.cngprices.com/index.php?bounds=%2528%252837.612599643383284%252C%2520- -122.53326416015626%2529%252C%2520%252838.14265747385727%252C%2520-122.031326293- 9453%2529%2529 PG&E updates their CNG prices 1/month. all PG&E pumps are that price ... usually most private stations are PG&E + a little bit. exception is Clean Energy owned stations, which charge whatever the hell they want. (most people here don't like CE as you might suspect). current prices are just south of $3 / 'gallon' ... remember, CNG is pressurized, so they call it gas gallon equivalent to make it easy for us gasoline-trained folks. this is the highest any of us has ever seen CNG ... though there isn't a huge supply-demand reason for this, it is purely a function of the declining dollar and desire to hedge by getting into commodities (like oil). i consistently get 40mpg, and i drive from vallejo to south san francisco ... so though it is highway, it is often more city-like driving (ahhh, I-80). expect to get 30-35 in actual city i suspect. like any car, depends how you drive it. |
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Aug 01, 2008 9:18 am) Some states the difference in the cost of CNG per gallon equivalent is not large enough to justify. I pay about 85 cents a gallon. In some eastern states it is 5.00plus a gallon for CNG. You are losing money in those states and you would gain anything to purchase a CNG automobile. It takes about 3-5 minutes to fill the tank. There is a technology being developed in CA (not currently available on the market). This technology would cost about $1000 for the home pump and about 15 cents more to use. It would fill the tank in approximately 1 hour and would allow the entire tank to be filled to its 8 gallon max (currently you only get about 6 max). The reason you get more in the "slow fill" than a fast fill is caused by pressure you create to fill the tank faster than you would if slower. You also pay 15 cents more because your electric bill will go up to run the compressor. You may also want to look at Boone Pickens comments about Natural Gas. Boone is the big Texas OIL man who is trying to replace about 20% - 30% of the imported OIL with CNG. It is not a bad plan. It will not work for everyone, but it will benefit those who buy CNG and those who don’t if you follow Boone's logic. Boone believes by reducing the OIL use by those percentage supply and demand ratios will force oil down.
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Replying to: nwhiting (Aug 02, 2008 10:00 am)
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Replying to: cliedtke (Aug 21, 2008 7:45 am) http://eco-fueler.com/about/hydraulic_compression_technology.html http://www.podtech.net/home/1682/eco-fuelers-american-roadster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHCQqkhvGw The challenge is convincing Mr. Green to sell the hydrolic compressor separately from the Eco-Fueler. By the way, if you look real close in the "youtube" video you can see the shadow of "Bigfoot." I think he was hired as a technical advisor. I believe he has been there for over two weeks. |
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Despicable !!! Honda must sell the GX merely to get CAFE points or something. They certainly are not trying to expand their market. |
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larsb -- not exactly. honda has consistently had the highest MPG and lowest emission fleets for many years. adding a CNG car to a fleet with those stats doesn't really make sense with your reasoning. and remember, they've had a GX for many years now, before they started adding lower MPG cars like their truck. show me some data that suggests they wouldn't meet CAFE standards without the GX and perhaps some of us will buy your explanation epi |
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sorry - i didn't read the article prior to posting. but now that i did ... i think the article is pretty off-base. they present a fair bit of evidence to support their claims, but their bias is pretty obvious, so it's hard to take the writer's word at face value. 'intentionally make the GX less attractive' ... a) honda is NOT known for putting amazing sound and nav systems in their cars (maybe in the more expensive acuras) ... they skimp in the GX for space reasons and cost reasons only. b) honda has conspicuous gas guzzlers in their fleet - example Ridgeline and S2000 ... while both of these do worse than civics / accords, both of these vehicles do better than their peers! i don't have a good reason for why Spokane was unable to get their GX's ... but i still stick with the contention that it isn't b/c Honda is producing the GX to raise their CAFE, or to push their 'high-yielding gas guzzlers' instead. honda has always been a conservative car company - my guess is that they are not about to tool up for major production of an alternative fuel car until they feel that they can actually sell them. i'll happily be educated if someone has better data! epi |
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If we are exempt from parking fees and bridge tolls and have carpool lane access, why are we required to get a SMOG certificate when renewing our vehicle registrations?
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Replying to: beingreen (Feb 03, 2009 10:53 am)
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