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#841 of 1097 the GX lives again
Jun 12, 2007 (1:28 pm)
Got the injectors cleaned up, re-installed them and the car fired right up. It seems to be operating properly now. FWIW, I am told that injector problems are quite common on the GX Civics. They get gummed up (perhaps as a result of the heat associated with operating at high pressure?) and as the flow fails, performance suffers. If you observe misfires showing up on the diagnostic computer, you might want to pull the injectors and have them cleaned up. Fiveomotorsport.com did mine. I mailed them in. Quick service. Good guys.
A word of warning. According to the service manager at Garff Honda in Salt Lake (the only GX rated dealer in Utah), "we've tried this and seen the fix fail." But the guy in Tulsa that told me about fiveO swears by them. Uses them all the time. My guess is that it depends on who does the work. FiveO specializes in injectors. It is all they do. They’ve been in business a long time. Something tells me they would not be if they constantly got complaints that the “fix failed.”
I want to buy another GX or two. Anyone know of any 1999 or 2000 GXs for sale?
#842 of 1097 Re: the GX lives again [broart]
Jun 12, 2007 (7:37 pm)
You solved your injector problem for a lot less than I did with my '00 GX.
I just had 2 injectors #1 and #2 replaced 2 weeks ago at 95k miles with Cerritos Honda. #3 injector was bad at 45k miles, #4 turned bad at 70k. Last 2 was covered by emission warranty. This time it is not in warranty and Honda dealer wanted a total of $1700 for two injectors. I complained to American Honda that my injectors dies every year. Honda said they found no recall or TSB on my injectors. Luckily Honda finally agree to help me with part of the total repair cost. The injector which costs $600 retail (ouch!), now costs $400 each. I got away with 2 new injectors and 2 new injector covers and a smaller but sizable bill.
I did my maintenance and replaced the CNG filter but still unable to prevent injectors from dying.
If any of you had this problem, please complain to American Honda. If there are enough incidents they might issue a TSB or recall.
Call Honda customer relations (800) 999-1009
Maybe next time I would rebuild them instead like you did.
#843 of 1097 Re: the GX lives again [broart]
Jun 12, 2007 (8:53 pm)
1998 gx with 52k on craigslist Los angeles last week , did not look at it, it was for sale by a used car dealer in san gabrial ca.(Just east of Los angeles) and he was using it for his personal car until sold.
Then today I looked at a 1999 with 67k at a used dealer in Tujunga ca (north Los angeles ). Car was from texas , no plates. It ran ok ,but had that " Been worked on" look. Bottom of engine had antifreeze all over. I think it has head gasket problems. The a/c was also not working.
This car is currently on e bay . be careful.
My take on the injectors. The 01 and later have a spin on secondary filter ,and I have never seen any posts on 01 and later injector failures, but the cost to change it at the specified 10k interval is very high. Part is $87 on the internet and $125-$149 at a honda parts counter. It looks like an oil filter with a heavy shell.
It might be protecting the injectors, but over the life of the car, the cost will add up to more than a new set of injectors.
Looks like a case of pay me now , or pay me later, but you will pay!
Hey Honda : Cut the price of the filter and us owners will buy more often and you will still make money!
#844 of 1097 Re: the GX lives again [lakewood90712]
Jun 13, 2007 (4:50 am)
I did have a 1998 GX where the customer developed a #3 injector failure. As for the filter, I would base it on the quality of NG going into your car. If it's pipeline quality, what you get at home it could do with more infrequent intervals. If pumping from a NG well, then definately change it often. Some stations are also bad with allowing compressor oil into the NG supply, with those stations its going to be frequent intervals aswell. I hate to say it but Clean Energy is not know for that but thats why you pay 50 cents more per gallon than the other stations. Trillium here is Phoenix is known for that, in fact the airport super shuttle vans will no longer use those stations.
#845 of 1097 Re: the GX lives again [bank1avp]
Jun 13, 2007 (11:23 am)
06 and later GX use fuel injectors that cost $120 instead of $500 on the pre-06 models. Fuel injector is covered under emission warranty. The newer GX has 15yr/150k miles emission warranty.
Jun 13, 2007 (3:43 pm)
I saw that '99 on ebay you were talking about. I bought my car from the same dealer back in August.
I never got my plates, so I called/e-mailed repeatedly and finally they found the paperwork.
They told me they needed me to smog it because it was over 90 days, and they would reimburse me.
Well after repeated e-mails and phone calls I never got my money for the smog.
Initially I was happy with the deal, but I would not buy another car from them.
#847 of 1097 Re: Dealer in Tujunga [jetboatjohnny]
Jun 13, 2007 (7:02 pm)
I just want to make everyone aware since there are not many of us CNG dealers out there, that the title read dealer in Tujunga and not dealer in Phoenix AZ :0)
#848 of 1097 Re: the GX lives again [broart]
Jun 19, 2007 (10:19 am)
I've got a 2000 GX for sale in Utah. I won't post a link to the ad as it seems to be against the board rules, so if you want to know more about it send me an email at derka7[at]gmail.com
By the way, I'm new here, but you guys are full of a lot of great info. Thanks.
#849 of 1097 Question about 2006 Civic GX Wheel Sizes
Jul 06, 2007 (10:41 am)
I know this isn't an issue for most of us with GX's, but my 2006 GX is coming up on tires and I've found a guy with 16" wheels/tires from a 2006 Civic EX that will end up costing me what I'd pay for the tires alone.
I wanted to see if anyone could give me input as to whether or not these wheels would fit the 2006 GX?
Thanks in advance,
#850 of 1097 Re: Question about 2006 Civic GX Wheel Sizes [99civiccng]
Jul 06, 2007 (11:16 am)
What are the full specs on the tire/wheel sizes of the two vehicles?
For example, my 1991 Dodge came with 195/70-14 tires, but an alternate size listed on the door sticker was 205/60-15 (which of course required new 15 inch wheels). These two tires have the same outside diameter so the speedometer and odometer would read the same.
195/70-14 OD in inches = (195 mm)(1 in/25.4mm)(0.7)(2) + 14 = 24.74 in
205/60-15 OD in inches = (205)(1/25.4)(0.6)(2) + 15 = 24.69 in
The 205 tires are of course 10 mm wider, but the wheel well could accomodate this. It was an officially recognized alternative tire. You would have to check with a Honda dealer to see if the tires from the EX will work on your GX.