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Honda Civic, Alternative Fuels, Hybrid Cars
#127 of 1097 New opportunity for CNG conversion companies
May 21, 2005 (6:18 am)
With Ford and GM bailing out, it is a wide open market for CNG conversion companies to get in. Taxi conversions alone should be a good oppotunity.
It looks like Honda does own Fuelmaker or at least a big part of it.
In 1993, Honda introduced its Civic GX, and the bulk of its sales have been to fleet operators, including New York City. Early next year, Honda plans to step up its GX marketing while offering its FuelMaker home-fueling system. By tapping into residential natural gas lines, FuelMaker can be used with any C.N.G. vehicle, not just Hondas.
"People ask us why we are fooling with this technology," said Mr. Littlefair of Clean Energy, "Well, you have 7,000 C.N.G. trash trucks in Southern California. That's like taking two million vehicles off the road."
#128 of 1097 The demise of CNG vehicles in the US
May 21, 2005 (7:39 am)
With Ford and GM bailing out, it is a wide open market for CNG conversion companies to get in. Taxi conversions alone should be a good oppotunity
But there is a good reason Ford and GM have bailed out. Why would Ford turn away from tens of thousands of sales if it was profitable. The only reason taxi companies even purchased the CNG vehicles in the first place was were because of a city mandate or lucrative tax breaks.
One must question what Honda's reasons for selling the GX are. By only selling 300 units a year, it can't be anything other than a way to pretend to be "green" why they are busy pushing hundred of thousands of gas-guzzling Honda Pilots, Ridgelines, Odysseys, MDX etc.
For those who prdict Hydrogen cars will never come, too late, they are already here! Ford is already selling both hydrogen vans commercially and hydrogen engines to aftermarket companies. The "Hydrogen Highway" is also already under construction in Florida, California and elsewhere.
As for Phill, I don't see how with Honda only selling 300 cars a year, and most of them go to fleets that have their own CNG fueling stations, Phill will ever become a viable proposition in this country. Certainly not at the prices they are charging for it.
But anyway, CNG is history in this country as soon as Clean Diesel arrives on '07.
#129 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [gx222]
May 21, 2005 (8:58 am)
Clean diesel will arrive soon, but it's up to the car manufacturers to bring diesels to the public. Right now we have few choices. There are the VWs and Mercedes which have questionable service histories. Hopefully we'll have more choices.
#130 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [falconone]
May 22, 2005 (4:28 pm)
Clean diesels are waiting in the wings for 2007. They are coming...and will be met with a $4000 tax credit, if the current energy bill goes through.
No Phill required, no small trunk, no range issues, no fueling station issues, no having to compromise by driving a cheap car like a Civic.
My prediction, clean diesel will be the final nail in Honda's very weak CNG strategy.
#131 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [gx222]
May 22, 2005 (5:47 pm)
Not if they brings diesel to the US. That will be the nail in the coffin for the german cars companies that lately have been building unreliable cars.
#132 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [gx222]
May 22, 2005 (8:53 pm)
I think your right about the Honda GX. Though with many cities mandating clean cars they are still a good choice. I don't see them for the private sector. It would take too long to pay off the fueling appliance. If I needed a car for commuting I believe the Insight is the best thing available today. I am sold on clean diesels by all the manufacturers. I am not so sure about the German car demise. I was at the Mercedes M class Rally yesterday and talked with several MB owners. They believe that all the smoke about MB reliability is just media hype. I did not talk to any of them that would trade for a Lexus. In fact there were several Lexus RX330's in the parking lot. I imagine they were looking to upgrade to the ML350 or ML500 that has better performance, handling & offroad ability, than they are getting in the RX.
#133 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [gagrice]
May 23, 2005 (3:44 am)
The ML is a great car for 2006. Much nicer than the RX as far as looks are concerned. I've owned 3 MB in the past five years and haven't had too many problems, tho more than when I owned the 99 RX. My friend is waiting for the diesel ML which should arrive here next yr.
#134 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [falconone]
May 23, 2005 (6:18 am)
I would be tempted by the ML with a diesel. My wife and I are still not overwhelmed by the looks of any of the luxury SUVs, maybe the "R" Grand Sport Tourer.
#135 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [falconone]
May 23, 2005 (6:19 am)
I would be tempted by the ML with a diesel. My wife and I are still not overwhelmed by the looks of any of the luxury SUVs, maybe the "R" Grand Sport Tourer. It was fun driving it around their course. Plus we got a free MB hat.
#136 of 1097 Re: The demise of CNG vehicles in the US [gx222]
May 27, 2005 (4:09 pm)
So gx222 why did you purchase a NGV Civic if CNG is history in '07?