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Replying to: aaaedgarpoe (Sep 19, 2004 2:03 am) My local paper today reported on the Civic GX and I too thought it was a "no brainer" as in no way would I buy one. The report said it holds the equivalent of 8 gallons of gas; the tank takes up half the trunk, it takes a long time to fill and if you want to do it at home it'll cost you $3,500 to convert your gas meter to a filling station. Oh and the kicker is the car costs $5,000 more than the gasoline version. I see some of the logic for going with natural gas, but it doesn't outway the negatives in my opinion. |
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Aug 01, 2008 10:18 am) One mistake in your post -- fueling at a CNG station is as fast as a gasoline car. Filling is only slow at home (when your car is usually sitting there for hours anyway). One other mistake -- dealers are adding $2500 to $5000 to the sticker price so it's even more -- $7500 to $10000 more than the standard Civic, if you can find one! 
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Replying to: freedml (Aug 01, 2008 10:53 am) this is not a good car if you are thinking of it as a normal car for normal use (aka. not only commute, but also road trips, hauling stuff, etc.) b/c clearly road trips must be carefully planned (if you have the infrastructure in your state to begin with) and yes, the trunk is 1/2 size. but for my wife and i, in the bay area ... it is the perfect commuter. free bridge tolls, several fill stations along our route (that are just as fast as normal gas fills) and carpool lane access anytime. i consistently get 250 miles on a tank (that's 40 mpg) which is the same range i have on my Honda S2000 ... so for me, no difference in frequency of filling. in fact, between the savings on gas and lack of bridge tolls, at $500/month car loan, my GX is essentially a free car. and that isn't even considering the 1 hour+ per day i save b/c of the carpool lane access. yes there are compromises ... but the GX can be the right tool for the job ... it all depends on the job you have for it. also -- on the home filling station: if you go that route, it is costly in the beginning ... but remember, the price you pay for natty gas at home is much less than at the pump, at it will pay for itself in a few years (depending on mileage). and remember the convenience! if you have more questions, this is the place for you! epi
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Replying to: epnfrn (Aug 01, 2008 12:32 pm) You may have forgotten one thing epi...I can go over 500 miles with my 2000 GX since I've added a second tank (less than 1K) as I don't have a cng access at home, so it is a VERY 'normal' car for me!  But, I will sell it when in 2009 or 2010 they come out with a good electric car. I'm going to put solar cells (thin film, which will cost less than half of the silicon kind and they will be out by then ) all over the car and run it on the sun! 
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Replying to: rogerbohl (Jun 09, 2008 12:08 pm) And don't let anyone tell you that you can get better mileage going over 60, than you can at 55 or 60. My scangauge proves you can't!
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Replying to: epnfrn (Aug 01, 2008 12:32 pm) What is the net cost of the Civic gx after tax rebates. What does it cost to fill the tank and how many miles will it typically get in the city? I live in the Bay Area as well near San Jose, and was wondering where the Nat Gas stations are?
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Aug 01, 2008 3:06 pm) as i said, my price for a brand new one in 06 was $1k under sticker (both Mel Rapton in Sac and Lodi gave this quote), so $23k+tax. then, $4k tax credit at end of year tax season. so for me, $19k. check out this google map for locations in bay area, with prices (as reported by users): http://www.cngprices.com/index.php?bounds=%2528%252837.612599643383284%252C%2520- -122.53326416015626%2529%252C%2520%252838.14265747385727%252C%2520-122.031326293- 9453%2529%2529 PG&E updates their CNG prices 1/month. all PG&E pumps are that price ... usually most private stations are PG&E + a little bit. exception is Clean Energy owned stations, which charge whatever the hell they want. (most people here don't like CE as you might suspect). current prices are just south of $3 / 'gallon' ... remember, CNG is pressurized, so they call it gas gallon equivalent to make it easy for us gasoline-trained folks. this is the highest any of us has ever seen CNG ... though there isn't a huge supply-demand reason for this, it is purely a function of the declining dollar and desire to hedge by getting into commodities (like oil). i consistently get 40mpg, and i drive from vallejo to south san francisco ... so though it is highway, it is often more city-like driving (ahhh, I-80). expect to get 30-35 in actual city i suspect. like any car, depends how you drive it. |
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Aug 01, 2008 10:18 am) Some states the difference in the cost of CNG per gallon equivalent is not large enough to justify. I pay about 85 cents a gallon. In some eastern states it is 5.00plus a gallon for CNG. You are losing money in those states and you would gain anything to purchase a CNG automobile. It takes about 3-5 minutes to fill the tank. There is a technology being developed in CA (not currently available on the market). This technology would cost about $1000 for the home pump and about 15 cents more to use. It would fill the tank in approximately 1 hour and would allow the entire tank to be filled to its 8 gallon max (currently you only get about 6 max). The reason you get more in the "slow fill" than a fast fill is caused by pressure you create to fill the tank faster than you would if slower. You also pay 15 cents more because your electric bill will go up to run the compressor. You may also want to look at Boone Pickens comments about Natural Gas. Boone is the big Texas OIL man who is trying to replace about 20% - 30% of the imported OIL with CNG. It is not a bad plan. It will not work for everyone, but it will benefit those who buy CNG and those who don’t if you follow Boone's logic. Boone believes by reducing the OIL use by those percentage supply and demand ratios will force oil down.
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Replying to: nwhiting (Aug 02, 2008 11:00 am)
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Replying to: cliedtke (Aug 21, 2008 8:45 am) http://eco-fueler.com/about/hydraulic_compression_technology.html http://www.podtech.net/home/1682/eco-fuelers-american-roadster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHCQqkhvGw The challenge is convincing Mr. Green to sell the hydrolic compressor separately from the Eco-Fueler. By the way, if you look real close in the "youtube" video you can see the shadow of "Bigfoot." I think he was hired as a technical advisor. I believe he has been there for over two weeks. |
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