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#2657 of 2694 Re: Deal, or no deal? [backy] by tsjay Apr 05, 2009 (7:27 am)
Replying to: backy (Apr 04, 2009 10:54 am) Backy:   All that you say makes sense, of course.   Here are some other facts to consider. The sticker on my Cobalt was $15,530, but GM was giving a $2000 rebate, so we are down to $13,530. The dealership knocked off $400 to get down to $300 over invoice, so the Cobalt is now down to $13,130. I redeemed $1800 in GM Card earnings, so we are now down to $11,330. They allowed me $700 for my old beater pickup, an 89 S-10 with 219,xxx miles on it, so the amount financed was only $10,630 plus tax, license, and fees.   I am being offered within $1100 of what I paid for the Cobalt on trade-in, while getting the Yaris at invoice. They now have a 0% interest for up to 60 months option in lieu of the $1000 rebate, and I would opt for that, I believe.   I am somewhat afraid that GM is not going to be in a position to honor warranties in the not too distant future. The Government is going to stand good for warranty claims against GM and Chrysler for veihicles purchased after 3/30/09, but those vehicles bought prior to that date would not be protected.   I have to believe that the market value of unprotected GM and Chrysler vehicles would plummet if those companies go under.   Tom Replies to this message: backy (Apr 05, 2009 12:32 pm) lhanson (Apr 05, 2009 5:21 pm)
#2658 of 2694 Re: Deal, or no deal? [tsjay] by backy Apr 05, 2009 (12:32 pm)
Replying to: tsjay (Apr 05, 2009 7:27 am) As I said, it's your money to throw away (don't forget the money you spent on the Cobalt on tax/license/fees--that is real money too). If buying the Yaris will make you happy, and you are sure you won't mind giving up that 150 hp in the Cobalt, I can think of worse places to spend money.   Anyway, you don't have much to worry about in terms of losing warranty coverage on the Cobalt. That could happen only under a very low-odds scenario in which GM goes totally out of business (not likely, and if GM stays in business Chevy is likely to be one of the surviving brands) and there are not enough assets to fund warranty service.   But if I were you I'd press for a better deal. As of late March Toyota dealers had a 175-day supply of unsold Yarii (55-60 is considered ideal). And you really don't need a new car now. Practice saying that in a mirror a few times so it's convincing when you talk with the dealer.
#2659 of 2694 Re: Deal, or no deal? [tsjay] by lhanson Apr 05, 2009 (5:21 pm)
Replying to: tsjay (Apr 05, 2009 7:27 am) All of what you say makes sense too. Since you are not in desperate need of another car, you have plenty of time to get work out a good deal. I have to think that the Yaris will prove to be the more dependable car in the long run with higher resale.
#2660 of 2694 Thanks, Peeps by tsjay Apr 06, 2009 (4:36 am)
Thanks for the input about my potential car trade.   I have been back and forth over this decision for the last several days. I have been very sure about going ahead and making the trade, and then I have been very sure that I would not trade. I have flip flopped many times.   Whether it makes sense or not, though, I have succumbed to the "fever," and I will go get that Yaris this morning, Lord willing.   The high end for trade-in allowance on my Cobalt is $9000, but they are allowing me $9500. I am getting the Yaris at invoice, but in reality, I am getting it $500 below invoice, considering the extra $500 on trade-in allowance.   I might have been able to get a deal that would be a couple hundred dollars more favorable, but I won't lose any sleep over it.   I DO appreciate your thoughts on the matter, even if I didn't follow your advice. I really did take your advice into consideration, but this decision is coming quite a bit from the heart, and less from the head, as is so often the case with me and my car trading.   Tomster
#2661 of 2694 Deal fell through by tsjay Apr 06, 2009 (1:30 pm)
Well, it might just be a case of the Good Lord looking out for me, but the used car appraiser would not come CLOSE to the $9500 that my salesman thought I might get on trade-in, so I walked away. The guy was only going to allow me $8000. No way I can take that for my Cobalt.   I'm not terribly disappointed, because I still have a really nice little car to drive. I'll hang onto that Cobalt for a while and be thankful that I have such a good car to drive.   Thanks, folks.   Tom
#2662 of 2694 I did it! by tsjay Apr 16, 2009 (10:06 am)
It took me a while to get used to the idea that I was not going to get anything like $9500 for my Cobalt, but the local dealer where my son bought his Yaris (not the dealer mentioned in my earlier post where I thought I was going to get $9500) offered me $8500 after some haggling, and I took that offer. I paid $145 over invoice on the Yaris, since it was a dealer trade. They did not have my color, Flint Mica, so they had to do a dealer trade. I would have insisted on invoice if the car I wanted had been on their lot. I took delivery of the Yaris on Monday, April 13, 2009, exactly four weeks to the day after helping my son get his Yaris.   I LOVE THAT YARIS! What a cool little car! It is tons of fun to drive, and I really do think it will do fantastic on gas mileage. It showing that I have used only 3/8 of a tank to go 200 miles. I know that is not accurate, but the indications are that I will get some really nice mileage.   Tom Replies to this message: micweb (Apr 16, 2009 1:19 pm) tsjay (Apr 16, 2009 2:17 pm)
#2663 of 2694 Re: I did it! [tsjay] by micweb Apr 16, 2009 (1:19 pm)
Replying to: tsjay (Apr 16, 2009 10:06 am) Congratulations, you should be very happy with your new Yaris if you "hold" it for a long time. I actually went the other direction (with an intervening step or two) from a Yaris to a Cobalt. But the Yaris I let go didn't have ABS and side curtain air bags like the current model, which is a big difference; the Cobalt I have now has both those important safety features, plus OnStar and XM radio, both of which are nice. I DID look at a '09 Yaris before getting the Cobalt; I test drove the stick, which was fine (perky, quiet) but the automatic had a lot of engine roar that was absent from both the Corolla we used to drive out to the lot where the Yaris was situated and from the Cobalt I eventually got. The Yaris auto cruised quietly, though. (BTW the Yaris I owned and the one I was shopping for were both liftbacks.)   So I balanced size (a little larger), quieter interior (automatics in both) against reputation and reliability. Given where GM is today, I'm not sure I wouldn't have leaned towards the Yaris, but it's a close call. Since my mom's 2004 Cavalier just dropped the mirror (not the housing, just the mirror) on the right hand side, and since the car wash just took off the shark fin XM antenna on my '09 Cobalt, I am a little wistful for that Toyota reputation at this point, but the die is cast - in the current economy neither of us should be changing out cars that frequently any more. I'll report back in the Cobalt forum if I have any future glitches.   BTW there was a crash test by IIHS.org - Yaris vs. Camry, Fit vs. Accord, Smart vs. Benz. They crashed the tiny car into the midsized car. A lot of people think the small cars didn't do well, but I think they did great - both cars were moving 40 mph which is, I suppose, like hitting the deformable barrier at 80 mph. I am surprised the cars held up as well as they did. As you probably know, in the regular IIHS test the Yaris is Good from IIHS, their top rating.   I drove the Yaris back and forth from San Francisco to LA, and with the addition of the inexpensive, easy (or cheap) to install rear sway bar, found the handling tops. You can get it from Toyota through their TRD division (Toyota Racing Designs). Replies to this message: tsjay (Apr 16, 2009 2:17 pm)
#2664 of 2694 Re: I did it! [micweb] by tsjay Apr 16, 2009 (2:17 pm)
Replying to: micweb (Apr 16, 2009 1:19 pm) Thanks, Mic. I hope you have real good luck with that Cobalt. I sure had no complaints with mine, except that I should have gotten the LT with all the power stuff and cruise control.   I expect to realize about 38 to 40 MPG with the Yaris, and I feel that the reliability factor is in favor of the Toyota vehicle when compared with the GM vehicle. I was getting 27 to 28 MPG with the Cobalt.   I didn't know how to factor the state of General Motors in all of this, but I feel "safer" owning a Toyota product.   I hope GM survives. I hope all of the Big Three survive. I'm nearly 60 years old, and I remember the glory days of the Big Three and the Muscle Car Era. The Big Three have been there my whole life, and it just wouldn't seem right without them. I am still grieving for Oldsmobile, my dad's favorite brand.   Tom
#2665 of 2694 I Now Own A Yaris by kneisl1 Apr 17, 2009 (6:45 pm)
As a long time ECHO owner I have just joined the Yaris club. Its a black base auto Yaris. After driving an ECHO the Yaris seems a little bit big I guess I will get used to it.

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