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You are in the Toyota Yaris
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Yaris, Hatchback
#2407 of 2747 I don't think backy has a large
Jul 30, 2007 (8:51 pm)
anti-Toyota agenda going on though. Neither do I.
I strongly considered both a 2007 Toyota Yaris sedan and a 2006 Scion xA as closely as a year and a half ago. I think backy does his research thoroughly and picks the car that is just right for him. Which is exactly what I do, too.
I like that with his posts he does his research and thoroughly(like a good trial lawyer might)lays out the pros and cons of the case. Then he states his decision on that matter and always lets the reader decide.
All out attacks with weapons are a dumb way to decide which car to buy. It's better to keep an open mind and decipher the facts and go from there.
But we are not Toyota/Scion haters. I know backy will come on here and explain his position but I wouldn't be that brash after test driving them both and almost buying one of them.
Look, the Yaris is a really good car and offers the buyer a lot. That's why this thread remains on my peruse-list. It's worth reading about.
#2408 of 2747 Okay folks
Jul 31, 2007 (3:10 am)
The subject is the Yaris, not another Forums member. Let's get back on track.
#2409 of 2747 ttai is absolutely right
Aug 01, 2007 (4:28 am)
Initial quality means little, if anything about the true build quality of a vehicle. A much more telling comparison would be to rank these cars on their quality after 100K miles. I guarantee in this comparison the Korean vehicles wouldn't be ranked ahead of the Toyota.
#2410 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [bottgers]
Aug 01, 2007 (5:59 am)
Initial quality does mean something. It is exteremely annoying to have to go back to the dealer to fix things in your brand new car.
There is a 5 year rating also, but I haven't seen any auto manufacturer hyping it.
100K miles is too long since most people get rid of their cars long before then. There probably wouldn't be enough people who would keep accurate records of problems and participate in the survey over so many miles.
#2411 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [bottgers]
Aug 01, 2007 (8:18 am)
I think you are right, because that kind of study would go back 5-8 years, and the big strides in the quality of Korean cars have occured in just the past 5-6 years, with greatest improvements in the last 2-3 years.
If someone has as a non-negotiable buying criterion, "I need a small car that has proven long-term reliability at least as good as Toyota's", they are pretty much limited today to Toyota or Honda. If they can live with dependability that is a few defects-per-100-cars lower than Toyota's, then there are other options.
#2412 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [jaxs1]
Aug 01, 2007 (9:22 am)
It doesn't matter if people only keep their cars for 50K miles, if all cars were tested out to 100K, which ones would you be more apt to buy, the ones that held up the worst or the best? I'd much rather have a car that has defects right off the bat that would be covered under warranty than one that starts nickle and diming you to death just after the warranty expires.
#2413 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [bottgers]
Aug 01, 2007 (10:31 am)
If every car were tested for 100k miles before I could consider buying it, I don't see how I'd ever be able to buy a new car, since cars are typically redesigned every 4-6 years. For example, I couldn't consider buyng a Yaris, which was a new design last year, until some trusted organizations had run a 100k test on it. That's easily 5-6 years in real-world miles (11-12 years for me). By then, the next Yaris will be here.
My perspective on reliability is that several manufacturers have reached a point where their cars are generally very reliable, within a few percentage points of each other. It's not as if one manufacturer or car is five times or three times or even twice as reliable, on average, than other manufacturers or cars. It's percentage-points difference. So for me, reliability is not the primary criterion; instead, there are more important criteria, like how the car drives, how it stops, how it sits, how safe it is, how comforatable and quiet it is, how economical it is, how nice it looks, etc.
#2414 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [backy]
Aug 01, 2007 (12:54 pm)
Depends on the make and model. A Cavalier or Neon is basically going to be a bucket of rattling nuts and bolts by 100K, while a Civic or a Corolla is just getting broken in by that point. I believe the Korean makes fall somewhere in between.
#2415 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [backy]
Aug 01, 2007 (6:39 pm)
Backy, are you ok?
#2416 of 2747 Re: ttai is absolutely right [lhanson]
Aug 01, 2007 (7:17 pm)
Yes, thanks. Many people are not however... a sad day.