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You are in the Toyota Yaris
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Toyota Yaris, Hatchback
Dec 20, 2006 (7:44 am)
You have hit it right on the head: cars DO have one heck of an emissions system, while your lawnmower has none. Your lawnmower causes as much emissions when running as 1000 ULEV cars, or something like that (I saw the number once, but have forgotten it now - it was big though). This is why California will begin having emissions standards for small-engined appliances like lawnmowers and leafblowers in 2008.
chevy598: you make some good points, but then detract from their effect with some statements that seem slightly absurd: certainly, not EVERYONE has a boat, in fact even among truck buyers, less than 2% surveyed by AAA last year use theirs for towing anything.
You make a very good point about snow plows and tow trucks, but these aren't the bulk of the pick-up market either. Now contractors - of course THEY need full-size pick-ups most of the time. But FWIW, Toyota officials have wondered publicly this year whether it will be worth the expense to go whole-hog with the next-gen Tundra - it is massive and gas-guzzling, just as you say. The personal transport buyers of full-size pick-ups will disappear in droves, I am sure, as gas spikes up in future summers to $4/gal (maybe next year, if not then the year after for sure), then $5/gal, etc.
And contrary to what you said, truck sales DID NOT continue steady when gas prices shot up. Through most of this year they were down as much as 20%. Just ask Ford about that - they have been crying in their soup in utter disbelief as they watched the bottom fall out of F-150 sales in spring and summer.
It is good to know that Yaris is still one of the safest models in its class, even if its results weren't stellar. Even WITH the side airbags, Rio and Accent results were poor, as were Aveo's results, although there I don't know the side airbag situation.
With the results of the IIHS report, I sure hope Toyota starts to build a LOT more of the Yarii with the SAB, and makes them standard soon (they say all their models will have them standard by 2009, apparently)
#2291 of 2747 Re: robertkn [nippononly]
Dec 20, 2006 (8:51 am)
Toyota did say they would have VSC standard on all vehicles by 2009, but I don't recall them saying anything about standard SABs by 2009. I hope they will move more quickly than that on the SABs, since Yaris and Corolla are just about their only two vehicles sold in the U.S. that don't have SABs standard, and a new Corolla is coming soon.
#2292 of 2747 Re: robertkn [nippononly]
Dec 20, 2006 (2:36 pm)
I believe you are confusing smog producing emissions with greenhouse gasses. A properly functioning, modern automobile emissions system will remove the vast majority of smog producing emissions (primarily unburned hydrocarbons) from your exhaust, but will have no impact on the amount of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide) released.
Since your lawnmower has no such emissions system, it releases larger quantities of smog producing emissions than your automobile, even at the much smaller level of gasoline consumed.
Either system (your car or your lawn mower) will produce and release essentially the same amount of carbon dioxide per gallon of gas. So, only drive your lawnmower to work if you are less concerned about smog than you are about global warming.
Dec 20, 2006 (7:31 pm)
Yes, I know. I thought the original poster was referring to smog-forming emissions. If they meant GHG emissions, then my apologies.
backy: I remain unconvinced that Toyota will make SAB standard on the '09 Corolla, despite their statements to the press. And Yaris? Forget it. I think the best we can hope for is more being built with optional SAB, and the bags maybe becoming standard on the next-gen Yaris around 2011.
#2294 of 2747 Re: sts72 [nippononly]
Dec 20, 2006 (7:48 pm)
If sales of the non-SAB Yarii stay strong despite all the press from the IIHS tests, then I agree with you. But I am less convinced that Toyota won't put standard SABs on the new Corolla. Many of the Corolla's competitor's have them, and even ABS standard.
#2295 of 2747 Fit vs. Yaris Liftback
Dec 23, 2006 (8:56 am)
I looked at the Fit but it reminds me of the Suzuki Aerio or the Aveo (the GM version of teh Aerio) and felt it was basically the same vehicle, just 're-badged' to be a Fit and wondered if Suzuki was designing the Fit. I also felt that the interior was "old" and not up to date. Plus, the Fit has the gas tank under the driver's feet. I found that to be a safety worry for me.
I loved the Yaris Liftback and fell in love with it the moment I drove it (and I test drove the 4 door but didn't like it as much) and should have purchased it on the spot (it was in May 2006 and I didn't realize the Yaris Liftback was hard to get..so I ordered it the next week in Blazing Blue, with the CD/mp3 player (the basic $740.00 package) and it came with a bumper guard and arm rest (I didn't order those but they ended up being way ok) and I got my Yaris Liftback in July 2006. I love it a lot and its great on gas mileage (my usual average is around 40 plus mpg), drives very nicely and is very comfortable.
I get lots of stares at the car from other drivers and smiles as they wonder what it is....
all in all I am very very happy. I can't say I would be in the Fit...it just wasn't a right fit for me.
#2296 of 2747 Re: Fit vs. Yaris Liftback [rocketman10]
Dec 30, 2006 (6:55 am)
Hi! Great comment. I totally agree. The Fit does remind me of the Areo as well. Honestly, I did not like the suspension and drive quality of the Fit. I liked the room and the seats. They should hurry up with the design upgrade and you know something else? Start dropping more manuals at the Honda dealerships. Toyo dealer had lots more manuals whereas Honda dealer said would be a month before a manual came in and it would be only ONE manual. This is in South FL! I bought the Toyo Yaris.
Toyotas will always be known and have a slight edge if you prefer a soft ride. The Honda's ride like sports cars (IMO). The civic has a nice ride soft like I like but...the $$$. However, the Fit definitely has more room, is more utilitarian and is a better buy for a bigger budget than I had with a 05 Element trade-in. I bought the Yaris because I wanted one, I love the design...the design is beautiful. The Fit looks like a small minivan or a Mazda5.
My favorites are Yaris, Aveo and Accent. The Aveo, priced with standard and $2500 rebate is like a 10,000 car IF you don't mind the bumpy shifter(manual) and the cheapy feel of the doors. But utilitarian wise and overall dollar for dollar the Aveo is pretty good it's just that Made in America badge that scares people and the depreciation is embarrassing. The Accent I love simply because I drove a 93 Hyundai Excel for 138K trouble free miles.
#2297 of 2747 Re: Fit vs. Yaris Liftback [blackyaris2007]
Dec 30, 2006 (9:00 pm)
I dig your what you wrote and I, too, would certainly go for the Yaris...
Only one thing: The AVEO is made in Korea by Daewoo, and it's known around the world as the Kalos in some markets.
I do agree, though, that many have this fear of anything, especially automobiles, made in America...so I catch your drift!
Merry 2007, friend...
#2298 of 2747 Re: Yaris roof rack? [zzk]
Jan 21, 2007 (7:40 am)
Did you every find a roof rack that worked with the Yaris? I am a new owner, and I'd liek a roof rack too. Thanks!
Jan 25, 2007 (5:02 pm)
I just came from the portland auto show. The two I felt most comfortable sitting in were the Yaris and Accent. Fit just felt awkward or cramped or something.. I was expecting it to feel roomy based on what I'd read.