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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 26, 2006 9:46 pm)
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| What drugs are you on? They must be good! | |
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) My problem with ABS is that I live in an area (southeast Michigan) that ends up with a LOT of icy roads in the winter. ABS has been proven to drastically lengthen stopping distances in icy conditions, so it's not a good choice for this area. ABS senses tire lockup, then releases the brakes until the tire rolls again, then applies brake pressure again. If you don't have traction (such as on icy roads) then the brakes lock up, the ABS computer releases the brakes, and waits for the tires to roll again, which happens much more slowly, if at all, because of the low traction situation. Basically, the ABS computer freewheels the brakes...You're standing on the pedal, and nothing is happening. It can also happen on oil-slicked roads or fresh-graded gravel roads. A good driver who knows how to threshold brake can stop much shorter than an ABS system in extremely low traction situations. I would also like to see ABS as an option on cars, rather than a "package deal" or standard feature. |
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Replying to: nvarch1 (Apr 27, 2006 11:24 am) But thanks for the info, that's good. I don't much look forward to placing an order with a dealer - I know the Toyota dealers are very resistant to this, in part because they can't make an iron-clad guarantee that the car will ever be built. Plus, I would like a bit off MSRP, which I am hoping would be possible in a purchase from dealer stock after the first few months are past. But on an order, I am not sure they would be too pleased to discount MSRP. If I go the order route (I am not doing anything for a while yet anyway), I may order through Longo in the LA area - it is the biggest dealership here in California, and I believe they have some clout with the factory. Dealers in my area have been turning over Scions with great regularity - I would think they would see the sales success of those models and pay more attention to the Yaris now, especially with the gas so expensive. Instead, it is being shunned. 
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Replying to: chrisducati (Apr 26, 2006 3:52 pm) I just caught the tail end of a Yaris commercial during "Will & Grace" that showed both the sedan and the hatchback. So the answer is YES, Toyota is making some attempt to advertise this car. I think if they actually had some hatchbacks on the lots that we could test drive (nothing here in South Florida), this neat little car might not suffer the same fate that the Echo did. |
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| Here in NJ there is not a SINGLE ad for the Yaris. Nothing. I never saw one for the ECHO either. I wonder how many have been sold so far? | |
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 27, 2006 1:26 pm)  Mackabee |
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yeah, I figured as much. It's funny though, my local dealers here (northern California) don't want much to do with Yaris, but of course LOVE the heck out of the new FJ - massive juicy profits and a waiting list a mile long for that model. Meanwhile, they seem to be able to sell Scions with ease, and perhaps the fixed-price/no-haggle system with the Scions provides the dealership and the salesperson both with better profits/commissions, eh? All I know is, lots of Scions are going out the doors, and the xA/xB are all over the place around here. I have checked out Yaris in two places now - the first one, the salesman didn't know anything about it, although pretended he did, and after the test drive let me know that I could have "that car over there" for about the same money with more features. The tone of his voice was eager. The "car over there" was a Scion xA. The second place I went to, I finally got to drive a hatch. But when I asked to drive it, the initial response from the salesman was "you want to drive that??". He had come over with a big smile on his face. Why? Because the Yaris was parked right next to an FJ Cruiser, and he had thought I was admiring that one, NOT the Yaris! The smile faded, we took a quick ride in the hatch during which he displayed unhappy faces most of the time. When we got back, he disappeared without a trace. He really didn't care if he sold that Yaris or not. No money in it for him, I guess. It is so hard finding dealerships that treat customers both professionally and also in a friendly manner. If you are lucky, you get one or the other, but very rarely both.
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 27, 2006 8:10 pm) Anyway, the dealer didn't even have one in stock at that time. If he had, I probably would have driven and bought. Got out of the mood later when he got one in. If the new Scion looks more like the Yaris, I may pull the trigger. |
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Yup, I like the looks of the Yaris much more than those of the xA too. And, gulp - uh oh! I was driving home and noticed the truck had just dropped off a bunch of cars at the local dealer, so I slowed down and lo and behold! One of the cars he dropped off was a Yaris hatch, stick shift, with convenience package! Meteorite metallic for the color. I stopped and had a quick walk around it, and I have to say I like its looks more every time I see it. The sticker on this car is $12,3 and it has all the floor mats and even a first aid kit apparently. I will have to go drive it tomorrow - it's the first Yaris in the right style (hatch) with the right transmission (stick) I have seen in person. I figure I can get it out the door after all fees for around $13,2 tops, hopefully. But while that sounds like I am dead set on buying, questions do nag: what about ABS and side airbags - should I wait and order one later on that has those in addition to the convenience package? alloys - I want 'em. Again, I am sure I would have to order a car so equipped, or maybe I could try to swing a deal to order a set through the parts department and include it in the initial sale, something which I am sure would wind up costing more than they would be as an option from the factory (but would be quicker than waiting for a special order car). cruise - I want it. I know now that the sedan has available factory cruise for the stick shift, and that has the same powertrain and steering wheel, so why couldn't the dealer service department install it in the liftback? Again, I would be ordering the cruise control unit through parts, I guess. I am sure the alloys and cruise would be expensive if equipped on the car after the factory this way. And I am sure that dealers are going to be reluctant to take my order for a custom-equipped car that includes the ABS and side airbags. So the question for myself becomes, how important are all those things to me? I will ask about the cost of alloys and cruise tomorrow, and see if they can even answer my question in a definite way. |
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