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| I have been shopping the Yaris and the Fit plus to a lesser extent the up coming Versa. So far the Toyota dealers could care less about the Yaris. Bad marketing on Toyota's part and dealers all geared to sell Avalons. I have had the same experience when we were looking at Scions. The dealers all tried to get us to buy much bigger cars. Even went as far as telling us we would not like the little cars. I had one Scion dealer walk away from me as I was talking in mid sentence because a guy in the show room was looking at a van. How rude. We ended up buying a Toyota all right but not from that dealer and not a Scion. Ended up with a matrix because there were like 15 to choose from on the lot and got a great deal on it. We are replacing our SUV soon with a small car. Since both the Yaris and Fit will have to be ordered in my area, which entails a five month wait after the order is placed, The boss of me has deemed that I wait until the Suzuki SX4 is on the lots. She seems to think AWD is important. I'll be looking back in on these discussions to see how things are going. | |
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I dont think theres any problem talking about ABS here. Sometimes the moderator interfers. Defensive driving absolutely will help you avoid problem drivers. It cant totally remove the threat, nothing can. People dont pull out in front of me when parked on the side of the freeway because I change lanes as I approach them. I just assume that sooner or later one of them is going to do exacly that. Neither do I allow people to box me in so I have no escape route. Im talking about riding my motorcycle here. I keep traffic BEHIND me. I keep to the right so the people who are really breaking the speed limit can pass. (you dont allow people to tailgate you on a motorcycle) You dont have to be agressive about it, just use common sense. I can only recall ONE time in the past 20 years when ABS might have been nice to have. (this is before ABS) I was driving on a rainy day and there were leaves all over the road. Suddenly the car in front of me apparently missed a left turn. He tried to stop and turn left at the same time. He lost control and eventually crashed into the car coming the oppposit way. Both cars were still crashing and spinning around on the road as I approached them. I had left enough room between the cars so I had time to react. I was driving slowly because of the rain and the leaves. I thought NO BRAKES SWERVE RIGHT! Luckily, as I passed them on the right for an instant there was enough room to get by. You could have slammed on the brakes with ABS and not lost control, but you wouldnt have stopped in time. Carefull driving was enough to keep me safe.
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) |
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I lived in the Annapolis area back in the 70s. Even then traffic in the Baltimore/DC area was something to see. It must be incredible now! I certainly would be unable to ride a motorcycle there in very many places. You are absolutely right!
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 7:28 am) Traffic...sheesh...in the mornings I'm pretty good, 4:30am and it is running even if heavy....but in the afternoons it can easily take me 1 1/2 hours to go less than 30 miles. I won't even talk about Friday  might as well wait til Saturday or just not go in at all!
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) |
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 26, 2006 9:46 pm)
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| What drugs are you on? They must be good! | |
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) My problem with ABS is that I live in an area (southeast Michigan) that ends up with a LOT of icy roads in the winter. ABS has been proven to drastically lengthen stopping distances in icy conditions, so it's not a good choice for this area. ABS senses tire lockup, then releases the brakes until the tire rolls again, then applies brake pressure again. If you don't have traction (such as on icy roads) then the brakes lock up, the ABS computer releases the brakes, and waits for the tires to roll again, which happens much more slowly, if at all, because of the low traction situation. Basically, the ABS computer freewheels the brakes...You're standing on the pedal, and nothing is happening. It can also happen on oil-slicked roads or fresh-graded gravel roads. A good driver who knows how to threshold brake can stop much shorter than an ABS system in extremely low traction situations. I would also like to see ABS as an option on cars, rather than a "package deal" or standard feature. |
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Replying to: nvarch1 (Apr 27, 2006 11:24 am) But thanks for the info, that's good. I don't much look forward to placing an order with a dealer - I know the Toyota dealers are very resistant to this, in part because they can't make an iron-clad guarantee that the car will ever be built. Plus, I would like a bit off MSRP, which I am hoping would be possible in a purchase from dealer stock after the first few months are past. But on an order, I am not sure they would be too pleased to discount MSRP. If I go the order route (I am not doing anything for a while yet anyway), I may order through Longo in the LA area - it is the biggest dealership here in California, and I believe they have some clout with the factory. Dealers in my area have been turning over Scions with great regularity - I would think they would see the sales success of those models and pay more attention to the Yaris now, especially with the gas so expensive. Instead, it is being shunned. 
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