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Replying to: bruyere (Apr 26, 2006 10:42 pm)  My husband has been on various deployments. Before a deployment he has to take a defensive driving course. He's done this many times now. You go and crash cars and learn how to run other's off the road....you skid around and do 180s and such and he said that he would not drive a car without ABS if he doesn't have too. He said with as much knowledge as he has at driving and with as much practice he's had he cannot control a vehicle as well in certain instances and that is when ABS comes in handy. For him he said it just makes it easier... I haven't take this course but I do no other folks who have and they all agree. So I encourage those who do not believe...go to the tracks. The course my husband took cost a couple of thousand...and he had a week long day in/day out driving tactics in all kinds of conditions... He's taken it at least three times. It is nieve to think that just because you drive defensively you avoid getting into those situations... I would like to think that I drive defensively....but when I'm going 65 - 70mph in the left lane and some idiot pulls right in front of me from the shoulder and a dead stop and I've got people next to me so there is nothing I can do but slam on the brakes.... It wasn't my driving that caused the close-call...it was someone elses. With the amount of driving I do a year, day in and day out especially in an area where aggressive driving is the norm...I would prefer to have ABS. |
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| I have been shopping the Yaris and the Fit plus to a lesser extent the up coming Versa. So far the Toyota dealers could care less about the Yaris. Bad marketing on Toyota's part and dealers all geared to sell Avalons. I have had the same experience when we were looking at Scions. The dealers all tried to get us to buy much bigger cars. Even went as far as telling us we would not like the little cars. I had one Scion dealer walk away from me as I was talking in mid sentence because a guy in the show room was looking at a van. How rude. We ended up buying a Toyota all right but not from that dealer and not a Scion. Ended up with a matrix because there were like 15 to choose from on the lot and got a great deal on it. We are replacing our SUV soon with a small car. Since both the Yaris and Fit will have to be ordered in my area, which entails a five month wait after the order is placed, The boss of me has deemed that I wait until the Suzuki SX4 is on the lots. She seems to think AWD is important. I'll be looking back in on these discussions to see how things are going. | |
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I dont think theres any problem talking about ABS here. Sometimes the moderator interfers. Defensive driving absolutely will help you avoid problem drivers. It cant totally remove the threat, nothing can. People dont pull out in front of me when parked on the side of the freeway because I change lanes as I approach them. I just assume that sooner or later one of them is going to do exacly that. Neither do I allow people to box me in so I have no escape route. Im talking about riding my motorcycle here. I keep traffic BEHIND me. I keep to the right so the people who are really breaking the speed limit can pass. (you dont allow people to tailgate you on a motorcycle) You dont have to be agressive about it, just use common sense. I can only recall ONE time in the past 20 years when ABS might have been nice to have. (this is before ABS) I was driving on a rainy day and there were leaves all over the road. Suddenly the car in front of me apparently missed a left turn. He tried to stop and turn left at the same time. He lost control and eventually crashed into the car coming the oppposit way. Both cars were still crashing and spinning around on the road as I approached them. I had left enough room between the cars so I had time to react. I was driving slowly because of the rain and the leaves. I thought NO BRAKES SWERVE RIGHT! Luckily, as I passed them on the right for an instant there was enough room to get by. You could have slammed on the brakes with ABS and not lost control, but you wouldnt have stopped in time. Carefull driving was enough to keep me safe.
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) |
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I lived in the Annapolis area back in the 70s. Even then traffic in the Baltimore/DC area was something to see. It must be incredible now! I certainly would be unable to ride a motorcycle there in very many places. You are absolutely right!
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 7:28 am) Traffic...sheesh...in the mornings I'm pretty good, 4:30am and it is running even if heavy....but in the afternoons it can easily take me 1 1/2 hours to go less than 30 miles. I won't even talk about Friday might as well wait til Saturday or just not go in at all!
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) |
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 26, 2006 9:46 pm)
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| What drugs are you on? They must be good! | |
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am) My problem with ABS is that I live in an area (southeast Michigan) that ends up with a LOT of icy roads in the winter. ABS has been proven to drastically lengthen stopping distances in icy conditions, so it's not a good choice for this area. ABS senses tire lockup, then releases the brakes until the tire rolls again, then applies brake pressure again. If you don't have traction (such as on icy roads) then the brakes lock up, the ABS computer releases the brakes, and waits for the tires to roll again, which happens much more slowly, if at all, because of the low traction situation. Basically, the ABS computer freewheels the brakes...You're standing on the pedal, and nothing is happening. It can also happen on oil-slicked roads or fresh-graded gravel roads. A good driver who knows how to threshold brake can stop much shorter than an ABS system in extremely low traction situations. I would also like to see ABS as an option on cars, rather than a "package deal" or standard feature. |
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